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Saturday, September 24, 2005

The New Russian Diesel

Strategy Page has a short story about the new class of Russian diesel boats coming out. (I posted a little about these new boats earlier.) One little tidbit I hadn't heard before:

"Each crewmember has their own cabin (very small for the junior crew, but still, a big morale boost)."

The boat's only 1,750 tons, so I'm really surprised about this (if it's true, and not just Russian propaganda). The sub's designed for a crew of 41, and I'm not sure it's the best use of space to put up that many bulkheads. On the other hand, we're not buying them, and since the main customers will probably be our potential rivals, I'm for anything that reduces their combat effectiveness.

On the other hand, separate cabins is one sure way to get rid of any "berthing issues" with respect to women on subs.

Going deep...

Update 1023 25 Sep: Speaking of potential rivals buying the Amur-class boats:

"Venezuela intends to consider buying Russian Amur-class submarines, the country's Navy said. Vice Admiral Jose Laguna, the Navy's commander-in-chief, will discuss this issue during his upcoming visit to Russia. "


Blogger ninme said...

In Russia, each crewmember get private suit!

In Russia, each crewmember get personal chef!

In America, you drive submarine. In Russia, submarine drive you!

9/25/2005 7:17 PM

Blogger Bubblehead said...

They did this documentary once where they showed the hot tub on one of the Russian Typhoons... I always wondered what happened to the water if they had to take a big angle...

9/25/2005 11:03 PM

Blogger ninme said...

In America, water follow gravity edict. In Russia, water follow politburo edict!

9/25/2005 11:09 PM

Blogger Vigilis said...

Surprise Ninme had naught to say about women crew on Russian subs, but good try with the notion.

9/26/2005 1:28 AM

Blogger PigBoatSailor said...

Here I was, getting all my info together for a post on how Venezuela was poised to replace her 2 type 209's with either three 212/214's, Scorpenes, or Amurs, when I thought, "Didn't I remember Bubblehead posting something about Russian diesels just a day or two ago?" *sigh* This is what I get for not posting on weekends. Ah well, some more scary facts on the Amur:
-Significantly more quiet than the Kilo class
-Rapid fire auto-tube reloading. <20s to reload tubes - necessary as shooting at anything that sounds like a sub is their modus operandi
-Better arrays than the Kilo class.
-Several different variants for all kinds of purposes.
The Russians make dependable, quality subs. They may not be as flashy as AIPs, or have as much automation as Japanese subs, or be as tech-heavy as the Germans, but they are worried about, and rightly so. For those of us who worried over Kilos, a better SSK from the Russians is not happy news.

9/26/2005 10:16 AM

Blogger Bubblehead said...

I'll try for her: In Russia women tovarishki can do all that men can do, but choose not to do dirty submarine work.

9/26/2005 10:16 AM

Blogger ninme said...

(metinks i'm confoosed)

(btw, that was "suite" up there at the top. with an e.)

9/26/2005 12:34 PM

Blogger Vigilis said...

Bubblehead, tovarishki are simply not allowed; it is not a matter of choice or ability.

How many females were there in the last graduating class of the Kuznetsov Naval Academy? In June 2005, nineteen female (Russians) soldiers and sailors participated in the competition(entitled "Beauties in Shoulder Straps"), which was broadcast on live television. At least the U.S. does not treat military women as display items.

9/28/2005 4:54 PM


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