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Wednesday, June 15, 2005

"The Friend of my Enemy..." also my enemy. OK, that's not the way the old saying goes, but it's still true. The asshats coming to protest today at the funeral of Cpl. Carrie French say that God killed her, and will continue killing American soldiers. Since those who killed her also think that God is on their side, it seems to me that the protesters share beliefs and goals with the terrorists in Iraq.
Now, I won't treat these enemies of America the same way I'd treat our terrorist enemies; these people are too wacko to take seriously... at least for now. I'm off to join whatever counterprotest there is at the funeral site today, and hope to have pictures and a report later. (Rumors on the street are that we might have some visitors from Mountain Home AFB.) I've never been to a demonstration, so I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do; normally, I'd mock and belittle them (or as my liberal friends might say, "stifle their dissent") but I don't think that would necessarily be appropriate at a hero's funeral.

Going deep to reposition to the west...

Back at PD, 1419 15 Jun: Just got back from the funeral site. Fred Phelps and what I guess were his family were there in all their "glory"; let's see what these self-described "Christians" have to say, shall we? (Update 1727 16 June, re-update 1221 20 June: Better versions of the pictures below can be found at Ninme's place, here and here.)

Not very nice, is it? These asshats were out to protest against the funeral of CPL Carrie French in her hometown of Caldwell, Idaho. I headed out there to show my support for CPL French, her family, and fellow Soldiers; here's what I saw...

I arrived about 1230; Fred Phelps and his family were already set up at a corner across from the grounds of Albertson's College, a private university in Caldwell. The Caldwell Police Dept. was handling the event in a very professional manner; a Caldwell Police Captain I was talking to said that they wanted to ensure the safety of the protesters (since they seem to complain a lot that they're in danger of being bombed). Here's how they provided for their safety:

He did say that the Phelps clan complained a little bit that they weren't very visible from the front of the auditorium, but hey... their safety was what counted.

I went over to take some pictures of the asshats, and get a closer look at them. I can report that they appeared to be mono-gastric, bi-pedal, and carbon-based; other than that, I really couldn't see even a glint of humanity in their eyes. As I left, one of them shouted at me, "Make sure lots of people see those pictures." I didn't respond.

At 1245, some fire trucks arrived, and parked in their pre-designated spots. I asked the Police Captain if this was pre-planned; he said that "it just worked out that way". Here's the view of the protesters that the family would now have to endure as they entered the auditorium after the fire trucks arrived.

The French family had apparently said that they didn't want an organized counter-demonstration, but some people felt the need to come out and silently show their support for the family. (All in all, there were probably fifteen civilians, including four off-duty Boise policemen, standing a silent vigil.) Here's one such young lady:

At 1252, the blue-shirted protester, probably Phelps' son, shouted at a carload of soldiers turning into the parking lot, "Watch out for IEDs!" After this, he started shouting "French is in Hell" to everyone who passed. On two occasions, he shouted this to young women who appeared to be the right age to be Carrie's classmates. Their mothers had to restrain them; I talked to one who walked by afterwards, tears streaming down her face as she sobbed "Those bastards", and I told her that I'd do my best to tell the world what horrible people these are. The other young woman so accosted just yelled "F*ck you!" back at the protesters; the protesters just laughed.

They were doing a lot of laughing. The old man had about four signs (including "Thank God for 9/11", "Thank God for IEDs", "Fag Troops" and "U.S.A. Sin = 9/11") that he held up in turn; the "son" had an "America is Doomed" sign, and the wife? daughter? had "God Hates Fags" and "Fags Doom Nations". She also talked on the cell phone a lot:

Finally, it was 1300, and time for them to go. The loud-mouth dipshit "son" took a quick filmclip of the area, they got into their van, and they drove off.

I got to thinking about what kind of country allows people like this to flaunt their unpopular opinions while being protected by the police. The answer, I decided, is only a country that is strong in our democratic beliefs and sense of our own destiny would continue to allow this. Here, at a funeral honoring a hero who had given her life so that people halfway around the world could be free, we saw those charged with protecting the weakest of us, the police, firefighters, and Soldiers, protecting people dedicated to tearing down everything they hold dear. And these people had the strength of character to ignore the asshats trying to ruin this solemn occasion, and concentrate instead on the good of this country: the part of the country that produces heroes like CPL Carrie French. America is not doomed, Phelps "family"... it is your mindless, attention-grubbing hate that's headed for the dustbin of history...

Going deep...

Update 1618: Ninme's got better resolution posts of some of my photos...

Update 1636 15 June: Fellow Ida-blogger BinkyBoy seems to be questioning my manhood in this post; he seems brave after the fact, but beforehand, he didn't seem so -- eager to fight, shall we say. In case he changes his post from before the funeral, here's what he said this morning...

"There are still a lot of soldiers from Mountain Home going to stop Phelps, which is definately something that we don't want to be in the middle of."

Update 1627 16 June: Thanks to everyone who's stopped by and left their thoughts. Ft. Boise has a report from when Phelps' and his crew last came to Boise; I think this helps explain why the local papers are pretty much ignoring their stunt. Here's what the Idaho Statesman had to say about the funeral itself.

Update 1502 17 June: Ma Deuce Gunner was there for the first part of Cpl. French's last journey, and has some thoughts on the matter...

Update 0921 20 June: Welcome to the readers of all the great blogs who've sent traffic this way, including Instapundit! If you'd like to read more about submarines (the main topic of this blog), feel free to look around, or check out the submarine group blog at Ultraquiet No More.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had no idea where to find these "people", and from the looks of it its a good thing. I was there to pay my respects however, and that I did.

However, realize that there were also nutcases in the auditorium, usually speaking at the podium. All it was was a bunch of hawks trying to justify their need for revenge upon Muslims by quoting the bible and using her corpse as a puppet.

So I think it was just as disgusting inside as it was outside.

6/15/2005 4:28 PM

Blogger Bubblehead said...

Well, binkyboy, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I'm assuming that you got nothing out of the funeral other than "those military meanies are spewing jingoistic crap". No feeling of a sense of honor? The camaraderie of people serving together in a cause they believe in? Didn't think so...

6/15/2005 4:46 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thats what I would have expected, camaraderie, not the bullshit that Gov. Goodhair and Major General Hawk-boy pulled out of their asses. They used this for political points, not as a memorial for a young woman. I was overjoyed to see so many military personnel show up from around the country, not just Idaho. I just wish they could have come to a real memorial that honored the fallen, not used as justification for their illegal invasion.

6/15/2005 4:49 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The MILITARY didn't invade Iraq.
Iraq fostered Al Qaida training camps.
Saddam also paid Al Qaida to do his dirty work. This isn't jingoistic spew, this is the safety of this nation and what it stands for.

And before you start asphyxiating about the Weapons of Mass Destruction that we sold Saddam and where are they, let me remind you that he compartmentalized his program and he used SCUDS on our troops in Kuwait when the ground war started in 2003.

How do I know? My husband sent me open source statements from the Middle East.

In a word, BITE ME.

6/15/2005 5:07 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, anonymous, can you possibly provide proof that Iraq was in league with Al Queda? no? Didn't think so.

Do you have proof that he used WMD's on our troops? If any proof existed it would have been paraded down every paper in the US as justification was finally found for Bush's hard-on invasion.

If you have open source statements, don't you think you owe it to the American public to provide it? Otherwise you just come across as another right-wing apologetic fool.

6/15/2005 5:13 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

So many of the right-wing wants to believe that the left-wing hates our military. Nothing could be farther from the truth, no matter how much you want to believe it. The left-wing is against the use of our military in a poorly planned invasion of a sovereign nation, resulting in the deaths of people like Corporal French. Have any of you actually read and understood the ramnifications of the Downing Street Memo or do you just write that off as a "CBS memo" or a "Newsweek" story?

6/15/2005 5:18 PM

Blogger Vigilis said...

binkyboy, I am declaring you a lawyer -prove that you are not!

6/15/2005 5:21 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Believe about me what you want, I really don't care. I may be a lawyer, or I may be a garbageman. It doesn't change anything about what I say.

6/15/2005 5:24 PM

Blogger Xopher said...

binky, what is your job, how qualified are you to judge that the war was poorly planned and executed? What are your credentials?

You accuse the hawks of justifying their need for revenge. We didn’t start the war, but we can damn well finish it.

That family deserves to hear the truth, that their daughter died trying to accomplish something great.

Go over to Afghanistan and talk to those folks about life under the Taliban. Maybe they can help you pull your head out of your @ss. Evil exists. All that it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.

6/15/2005 6:04 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

This needs to be on FOX or something. Too important to ignore. If we're forced to pull out of Iraq before things are repaired and running - I sincerely hope the next attack (a pull out would cause one) is right on them and their loved ones and very painful, very slow!

6/15/2005 6:35 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Goog God I hate Fred and his family. It is sad that they are allowed to spew their venom wherever they choose...disgracful they are.

6/15/2005 7:57 PM

Blogger Xopher said...

By and large Fred and family are about 10 standard deviations from the mean, they are so far out there that they deserve to be ignored.

Their hatefull actions need to be countered. Go see Fred's website, he posts where he will be( Counter protesters show up and screen this riff raff from the grieving families.

Freedom of speech works both ways.

At least he isn't showing up in Atlanta anytime soon.

6/15/2005 8:06 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ah, it sucks when someone questions your masculinity, huh? Tell me, how can a big strong navy man stand there and listen to crazed madmen cursing young women and not even request that they at least stop verbally attacking women? Didn't you feel the least bit inclined to do something?

Oh, and as for my credentials, I figure that paying attention to all of the military experts, generals and even Senator "freedom fries" that the war has been poorly handled, has had little to no planning for the aftermath and is showing signs of being a "loss" for America arn't exactly personal credentials, but it is an accurate assessment of the current situation. I can't help it if you are so quick to write off Joint Chiefs and 4 star Generals once they stop supporting your beliefs and start speaking against the war. The only people currently supporting this war up top are those that havn't seen any of it, chicken hawks one and all. Do you like to align yourself with yellowbellied warblers?

In matters of strategy, I'm not a hawk. And don't always believe that liberals all support gun control.

6/15/2005 8:46 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

F*ck you, binkyboy.

6/15/2005 9:06 PM

Blogger Aaron Bynum said...

Tragic. That's all I can say. While we as Americans are all free to protest peacefully at events, we are also free to recognize the truth and take responsibility for our thoughts and actions. I for one recognize the protests for what they really are - misdirected anger, bigotry, distortions of the truth, and cowardice. Cpl. French, I salute you and your family. May God (one of love and forgiveness) be with your family in their loss.

6/15/2005 9:11 PM

Blogger Vigilis said...

Guess what? Chances are that you binky"boy" are actually female (60%); lawyer (35%); muslim (0%); over 28 yoa (10%). Nice try, blogger! Save some money and travel abroad (Canada does not count). Find a country you like better and let us know how well women are treated there, what the top individual tax rate is, and how many lawyers per capita there are. Come back anytime, a real-world education should help you better appreciate the USA.

6/15/2005 9:35 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Binkyboy: Are you questioning my husbands honor and integrity. If so, please let me tell you that being married to this man for nearly twenty years I have never met or known a man with such high honor and integrity. My father(I would also include my step-father in this as well) would never have allowed me to marry him if he wasn't who he is. I have two young men who are being taught how to open doors, pull out chairs and "YES" even to stand up for any lady that needs it. You personal do not know my husband or I and you seem like the kind of man who would wether judge than to get to know someone who had a very different opinion than you. So to end this post I would like to say the following: Matthew 7:1-2 "Jugde not, that ye be not jugded." "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

6/15/2005 9:38 PM

Blogger Vigilis said...

Will stand corrected, blinkyboy. According to publicly available info, you claim to have a six year old son, are a rock climbing enthusiast from Wilder, a whiz software programmer and visitor to an interesting, Dutch forum. You consider yourself a "pacifier", which is how you derived your nickname. Was correct on your age, but if the photo you posted to talk to teenage girls is genuine, you appear to be a darkhaired, crewcut male. I apologize for calling you a lawyer. Instead of rock climbing, I still recommend foreign travel to someone of your innate intelligence and youth. Your name and e-mail address are safe with me.

6/15/2005 11:49 PM

Blogger Michael Hawn said...

Thanks for puttng this out.
God Speed to Cpl. French, God Bless her Family.

6/15/2005 11:56 PM

Blogger Skippy-san said...

Binkyboy, stinkyboy, whatever the fuck your name is....

Carrie French is dead! She was a daughter, maybe a wife ( I don't know) ; a human being and an American Soldier. Her family DESERVES the right to say farewell in peace and in dignity. As an American Soldier she deserves the honor and thanks of a grateful nation regardless if one agrees with politics or not. This kind of demonstration is plain despicable and deserves nothing less than total contempt.

This type of thing is just fucked up. If you read my writings you'll find I am no fan of the war in Iraq, but to do this is totally and completely despicable. Fred Phelps and his people suck.

6/16/2005 5:42 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

When you have the heart to hand a son over to his parents in a casket, you come get me. I'll teach you a few things.
I've done that, have you?
Our kids do what they believe in, and that is America, home of the FREE. We are the ones that give f@ucks like you the ability to speak. So unless you wanna enlist in the military, I think you should just shut the f@ck up dood....
Men die because they care, they believe in America, the free and the brave. We let you speak because we fight.
God bless you ingnorant ass, because without us you would be in prison.

6/16/2005 5:43 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is proof if you would care to look for it. As to news media carrying stories about the TRUTH let me remind you Dan Rather backed a forged memo, two so called journalists whined about members of their profession being targeted (were that the case Geraldo would not have lived to tell the tale of how he was dismissed from his unit...I know the COL who kicked him out), and the NYT keeps up the incestuous amplification of lies, innuendo and spin from the DU.
Not to mention BIAS.
THAT is why they didn't report on the SCUDS being used. Wasn't a news blackout on the part of the military, it was selective reporting on the part of the Lame Stream Media.

6/16/2005 7:51 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

#1) I wasn't the first to mention WMD's, a winger was.

#2) I wasn't the first to bring up Al Queda, a winger was.

#3) I wanted her memorial to be about her, not about how the right-wing wants to believe the Iraq situation to be all about "the spread of freedom!"

#4) The "forged" document you so fondly refer to has never been proven forged, its origins were questioned and the sources backed off, but no actual proof has ever been offered up.

#5) No SCUD's were fired, every time Fox News reported it, 2 hours later the military would recall that information. All missiles fired from Iraq, according to DoD releases during the time (yes, I received them) were short range missiles that were allowed under the charters and sanctions.

#6) You still have not offered proof. I understand you want to hate Iraq, it more justifies your anger and fears. You don't have to feel guilty about the killing of foreigners if you convince yourself they are less than human, so continue on with your self delusions.

#7) I have travelled around the world over 3 times, mile wise. I've been to war torn countries, I've been in areas where Americans were routinely kidnapped and held. Keep assuming you understand me and you'll always come up short.

6/16/2005 8:03 AM

Blogger Bubblehead said...

Binkyboy: I was happy to see that your blog has gotten all of three comments in the last week... congratulations on having such a successful forum for your opinions! (I'm especially impressed by your Technorati profile; don't worry, after it cycles through, you'll have at least one link!) I'm sure you aren't going to be convinced by anything I or my friends say about the necessity of the war in Iraq, nor will we be impressed by your "facts". I was hoping to get back to the original reason I linked to you (which probably brought you more traffic than you've ever had; of course, your sitemeter isn't public, so I can't tell). Can you honestly still say that you would have confronted the protesters? Consider the following facts (which you could have gotten yourself if your time management skills were better): 1) The Phelps' love publicity; 2) There was a Channel 6 camera filming the whole time, hoping for someone to confront them so they could put it on the air; 3) The family had asked that there be no confrontations; 4) The police had asked us "counterdemonstrators" not to give the asshats the satisfaction of engaging them in conversation. Armed with this new information, do you think that maybe your plan of rushing in to yell at them might not be the best idea? (Your one commenter even agrees.)
As far as your original comment on my blog -- this was a military funeral; also, I don't see anything in your "report" or any news account that looks anything like people were calling for "revenge on Muslims"... maybe a little hyperbole on your part?
Anyway, I'd like to invite you to continue your discussions over on your website; I'm sure all five visitors a day you get after my link goes off my front page will appreciate it...

6/16/2005 8:39 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, I'm so sorry to have disturbed you and your ilk. Carry on in your oblivious manner, I'll bother you no more.

Besides, the lack of real debate was starting to bore me

6/16/2005 8:47 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think killing foreigners is cool, especially when they are burning our flag and screaming "death to America". I don't care if there were WMD's or not. I don't care if GW "lied" about his reasons because I know he was right in his actions. If it weren't for the U.S., there would have been WMD's, and they would be used against US. There are no innocents, just people who are fearfully unwilling to sacrafice for what it right. Doing nothing does not make you innocent.


6/16/2005 8:53 AM

Blogger Bubblehead said...

Yeah, I know I screwed up binkyboy's Technorati profile; I was at work all night... Here's his real one, for those who are interested.
Rob, dude, you still gonna permalink this guy?

6/16/2005 9:06 AM

Blogger Consul-At-Arms said...

Who is this Phelps loon and his evil clan?

I'm all about pacifism and superior firepower and rights to free speech, but I got so mad reading this account, I was reminded why I _stopped_ carrying a Louisville Slugger in my car. Sometimes motive and weapon combine with opportunity. As they said in "The Sign": "Swing away!."

6/16/2005 9:06 AM

Blogger Michael said...


6/16/2005 9:16 AM

Blogger APE said...


I just writing to let you know that I to have now made a post on my blog. I also put your link in the post. I'm outraged about this man and his followers, which I am willing to take on. Don't mess with an Army Wife.


6/16/2005 9:19 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

So you have traveled the world three times over milewise, and allege that you have been to war torn countries.

Well, so have I. You don't mention what countries or what wars, so your delusion is that somehow you have 'lived,' and have seen 'things.'
Pardon me if I seem underwhelmed by your lack of credentials. You can travel the world over several times milewise and never be too far from your comfort zone, which is what I suspect is true in your case.

Well, The Desert Voice is a media publication. I don't know if they are still on line or subscription required; I got mine delivered. Where was it from? Kuwait.

The Dan Rather memo was faked and heads rolled at CBS because he and his team didn't bother to check the veracity of the contents or the type used.

As to being a winger, ooooohhh sticks and stones and all the rest.

6/16/2005 9:20 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

One more have asked us for proof of what we say, and yet you offer none for your pov.

So, put up or shut up.

You listen to NPR? They talked about the SCUDS being deployed (but then, I was surprised when I heard NPR actually say something about it)and the Patriots taking out the SCUDS.

Oops, that would mean someone saw it, witnessed it and reported it.
Proof? Yep.

Here is a link:

6/16/2005 9:32 AM

Blogger Mark Tempest said...

Thanks for the report and for showing that the police and fiemen did what they could to help the family through this hard time.

6/16/2005 9:38 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

So...this is what a pissing contest is about. It's cute.

We drove over to Caldwell to attend the memorial and to see Phelps in action. Truthfully, we never did see him. Very creative 'protective measures' on the part of the police and fire department.

Bubblehead said one thing earlier about the camaraderie within the military. I was in the Army in the medical corp and that is something I so totally understand and I would hope most others could as well.

Unlike some here, I do NOT support this president or his administration and most especially this 'war.' However - to me and many others I know - supporting those in military service whose job it is to go when called upon is a totally separate issue than supporting this 'war.'

6/16/2005 10:50 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am neither a right "winger" nor a left "winger". I beleive that we jumped the gun in invaded Iraq. The fact is though we are there and simply pulling out will cost more innocent lives. It would be as bad as Dafur or Somalia.

It seems that Iraq is headed in a good direction. It will take time and hard work. On the part of the Iraqi people and on the part of our forces there in theatre.

I am a (mildly disabled) veteran of the U.S. Army. I find the actions of the Phelps family to be so thoroughly disgusting that I sit here nearly shaking with rage. I congratulate Bubblehead on keeping his cool in that situation. I wish I new where they lived so that I could go "protest" their breathing.

God bless all our troops, and I hope that events transpire that will allow you all to come home soon.

6/16/2005 11:38 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

These FREAKS came to our town and protested a funeral of a boy killed in a (gay)hate crime. They are NOT Christians. Why do they pick on the dead? Scare of the living?

6/16/2005 12:23 PM

Blogger Joel Gaines said...

Two small points:

1) These people are Christians like Islmo-facists are Muslims.

2) Why are we taking anything seriously that comes from a cat named "Binkyboy", which in every house I have ever been in means he sucks a pacifier??

6/16/2005 3:45 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Binkytoy,
the reason we went back to Iraq was
Saddam never complied with the terms of surrender from gulf war 1.
ie SHOOTING MISSLES at allied planes patrolling the no-fly zones
among other things.

6/16/2005 4:48 PM

Blogger The Freeholder said...

Sorry, but I'm not a good a person as you. My solution for that freakshow would have been a few 12 ga. loads of rock salt.

6/16/2005 5:21 PM

Blogger Chap said...


I appreciate your doing this, and your fortitude. Nice troll you've got there.

It's especially sad for this good soldier's parents, who have to deal with such a circus.

6/16/2005 6:11 PM

Blogger CDR Salamander said...


Class act on your part the whole way. Bravo Zulu.

6/16/2005 9:49 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can choose whatever you want to believe about how our media would react, but there have been so many acts of heroism as well as things I saw that I never want to see again, that go unreported day after day after day, that I don't think there would be a report about the discovery of WMD's in Iraq in the New York Times. If you put that much faith into our news media, I feel pity for you. And as for whether or not WMD's were used against us in Iraq, well, this winger got GASSED on the way in! A SCUD impacted some distance from our convoy, but the wind was pushing its contents in our direction. Fortunately, we masked and suited up in time. I'm proud that I served over there in our "illegal war," as you like to call it. But I'll tell you, one look into the eyes of all the Iraqis I met, and I knew we were doing the right thing by being there. I've ranted long enough. So that this post isn't completely heavy, I leave you with this poem, by Dr. Samuel J. Hazo:

No soldiers choose to die.
It's what they risk by being who
and where they are.
It's what they dare,
While saving someone whose life means as much to them as theirs...
Or more.
To honor them, why speak of duty,
Or the will of governments.
Think first, of love,
Each time you tell their story.
It gives their sacrifice a name,
And takes from war it's glory.

"Each Time You Tell Their Story"
-Dr. Samuel J. Hazo

God bless our President,
God bless our Troops,
God bless America!

Eric J. Bass
3d ID(M), Veteran OIF

6/17/2005 12:23 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bubblehead: Thank you.

French Family: May she rest in peace. We are grateful.

6/17/2005 5:42 AM

Blogger devildog6771 said...

I agree with Eric Bass. I feel it is a shame that such inappropriate comments are posted in the same space as a tribute to one of our fallen troops. Frankly, I think it shows a total lack of respect for the family. The fallen soldier, well, nothing can't belittle her sacrifices, not even the ravings of a small mind!

6/17/2005 6:04 AM

Blogger John Bailey said...

"binkyboy" says he doesn't hate the military--and without pausing--calls them war criminal...

Here is your war justification, moonbeam: Saddam surrendered at discretion after the Coalition kicked his tail out of Kuwait. He and Iraq were paroled but did not live up to the conditions the UN put on that surrender. In other words, he, Saddam, broke the surrender contract. He continued to point tracking radars at Coalition aircraft flying UN-imposed no-fly-zone patrols.

If you're such a poser that you don't know the diference between search radar and tracking radar, that's not Bush's fault. However, pointing that type of radar at an aircraft is the equivalent to pointing a gun... in international law, it is considered an "act of war".

why not put down your pseudo-intellectual comic books and pick up something that will get you a job so I don't need to spend tax dollars paying for the professional psychiatric help you apparently need for your angst?

If you really believe what you write, you owe it to the American People to go to Iraq and bring back pictures of the truth. I'm pretty sure you could get over there and back on commercial carriers.

However, if you enlist in the US Army, you can get your airline tickets at government expense. And a free set of life-coaching, personal trainers, and educational assistance...

But be aware that they will expect you to tell the truth... an expectation your fellow bloggers don't have of you.

6/17/2005 7:33 AM

Blogger Rich Casebolt said...

Bubblehead, thanks for keeping us up to date on this. Since you don't have trackback, here's my two cents.

6/17/2005 11:42 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

(just found this report via other blogs, so sorry if I'm late commenting on the actual post)

There's something I don't understand about these fuc^D^D^Dprotestors (well, more than one thing, but one I'll ask about here).

The scum^D^D^D^Dprotestors "complain a lot that they're in danger of being bombed"... and yet they hold signs saying "thank god for IEDs"... doesn't that mean they would WANT to be killed via bomb blast?

6/17/2005 12:14 PM

Blogger B.B. said...

So many of the right-wing wants to believe that the left-wing hates our military. Nothing could be farther from the truth, no matter how much you want to believe it.

That explains this.

And this.

And pictures like this.

And this.

6/17/2005 2:22 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

To binkyboy and others,
Forget the politics. This young woman lost her life in service to our country. Whether you believe in the mission or not, she signed up and went where she was ordered. For there to be pretesters at her FUNERAL is simply wrong, her family should be afforded the opportunity to grieve in private.

6/18/2005 2:24 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I cannot believe that these people were actually what they call protesting this soldiers death.
I cannot believe how stupid, arrogants and inconsiderate people can be. This young soldier gave her life defending these Iraqi's and defending our country.
Each and everyone of those people should have been rounded up by the police who were protecting their idiotic butts and hauled off to jail. Better yet they should be put in a camp sort of like Iraq and shot at.
I hate how stupid people can actually be.

God bless our troops and keep 'em safe until they come home. I salute you all.

6/19/2005 4:09 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countryment, and then say, 'What should be the reward of such sacrifices?'...If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, GO FROM US IN PEACE. We ask not your counsel or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and MAY POSTERITY FORGET THAT YE WERE OUR COUNTRYMEN!" --Samuel Adams Thank you for being of service and for allowing me and mine to sleep safely tonight. May you sleep safely for an eternity and may God greet you warmly when you arrive. My prayers and gratitude to your family and friends. God Bless you.

6/19/2005 5:11 PM

Blogger Lucius Cornelius said...

An outrage! A freaking outrage! Protesting a funeral in a residential neighborhood. I agree with the comment I read somewhere that this was "fighting words" and that the whole gang should have been hauled off for a breach of the peace. Or at least deny them the right to stage a public protest in a private neighborhood.

If some neo-Nazis had protested my father's funeral because he was a Jew, I would have had some friends beat the crap out of them.

This is horrible for the family. Those protesters are the ones who are going to burn in Hell. Actually, I would rather that they burn in this world first.

6/20/2005 6:55 AM

Blogger M. Simon said...

A binky is a brand of pacifier.

A binky boy is one who sucks on a pacifier of one sort or another.

Now why a person would wish to advertise is an interesting question.

6/20/2005 7:26 AM

Blogger Chap said...

Congrats on the instalanche!

6/20/2005 7:50 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...


You taunt Bubblehead for not coming to the defense of these women who were verbally harassed by the Phelps-Ph*ckers, yet you are against the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq to depose murderous, totalitarian governments that tortured and murdered men, women, and children daily year after year?

Wow--I guess you have your priorities in order.

6/20/2005 8:07 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although Saddam didn't use WMD against the US (likely to be largely ineffective because our soldiers are equipped with gas masks etc.) he did use them against noncombatant Kurds. That is itself an act of terrorism.

So Saddam: Terrorist, WMD.

And to get out of the first gulf war, there was an agreement to cease hostilities. Violation of the conditions of that agreement would end the cessation of hostilities. Saddam violated it regularly, particularly by firing upon aircraft patroling the "no fly zone". That was an act of war on his part, and is a fully sufficient reason to resume hostilities.

So: Not an illegal invasion, and if you think it was poorly conducted, you have to have a better way to accomplish the same effect. (other than to have Saddam agree not to be an asshole, which is merely a game of "wish-chess".)

6/20/2005 8:19 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK, proof of what the National Socialist Left think about our military:

Networks of the Left researched and cross-referenced:

Saddam had murals painted showing him in front of the WTC as the planes hit, smoking a cigar. These pictures were taken from terrorist training camps in Baghdad and northern Iraq. The media keeps trying to say these camps were for training Iraq's anti-terror forces, but US troops found the truth and try desperatly to get it out.

Saddam paid roughly $25,000 for each suicide bomber in Isreal.

Iraqi special operations and government officials, under Saddam met with Bin Laden's reps several times.

The UN WMD inspection teams noted the dissapearance of Iraq's inventoried WMDs before being expelled for the last time.

The Intelligence Agencies of France, Germany, Russia, Britton, and the US all confirmed WMD projects in Iraq. They also stated they were highly mobile.

Massive convoys were spotted leaving Iraq for Syria before the war

A terrorist attack aimed at Amman, Jordan was stopped last year. The terrorists were using trucks filled with chemical weapons and 17.5 tons of explosives. The captured terrorists related their story of training in Afganistan, moving through Iran into Iraq. Fighting and losing to US forces there and then moveing to Syria where they linked up with Iraqi military in Syra and obtained the weapons. This story ran for all of 1 day, but never made it to the front page.

We spent 12 YEARS and 14 UN Resolutions with diplomacy on Iraq and got NOWHERE. The UN authorized the Use of Force in Iraq in a resolution. What we found out later was UN member nations and UN officials were activly collaborating with Saddam and making billions.

The 1st Gulf War "ended" with a cease fire contingent on Saddam obeying it. He violated every point of that cease fire but one (invading Kuwait). He used MIG 25 BR recon jets (brand new after the Gulf War and sold in violation of the embargo) to violate the "No Fly Zone". With so many points of the cease fire violated, 14 UN resolutions authorizing increasing levels of punishment, missing WMDs the world had records of, violations of the embargo by UN officials... Do I need to go on??

As for "poorly executed".. what a crock!! We have the lowest casualty rates in a war EVER. The equipment and soldiers performed extremly well (I am a US soldier in case you were wondering). Even the horror of "friendly fire" was the lowest it has ever been. It took 12 years after WWII before terrorists attacks stopped in Europe (some would say much longer) and (West)Germany had free elections. Iraq had elections in 1 year. Its economy is growing, its people are increasingly turning in or killing the terrorists.

As for the "Downing Street Memo", where are the originals? Odd, isn't it that there are none?

So, what more proof do you want? Problably nothing I say will help those who hate America, hate the Military (the irony when rabid pro-abortionists call me a baby-killer), think the War on Terror enslaved us (the sheer fact we have hate-filled voices calling for the death of President Bush and the defeat of the US allowed to speak without punishment disproves that theory), and rejoice at every setback we have, or they create (ie, US soldiers are NAZIS).

As for this "religious" nutcase, I hold him in the same catagory of extreme disgust I hold, International ANSWER (aka, the World Workers Party), the KKK, Neo-NAZIs and other hate-filled, power seeking, totalitarian minded, violent freaks.

And the worst (or most ironic) part is I will gladly give my life to defend their rights even though these same people not only seek my death, but would spit on my grave. And so will 95% of all other soldiers I know.

6/20/2005 10:05 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just checked in. It occurs to me that Binkyboy might be a garbageman, but he certainly is a garbagemouth.

6/20/2005 12:34 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

How to Support our Military

Helping American children, help Iraqi children

Let's All do our Patriotic Duty!


6/20/2005 12:46 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's outrageous that Phelps' would do something like this, but we in the Topeka area are unfortunately very familiar with Fred Phelps and his tactics. I can remember clear back in middle school and high school (which was about 10 years ago) his group protesting different events, including Model UN events, put on by middle and high schoolers. He protests events at the Topeka Performing Arts Center, churches, and many other events. Any big event in Topeka, he's usually there. No one here listens to his group. And no in this country should either. He's a bigot, and while he is now travelling to events in other communities (probably because he can't stir up controversy here anymore, since everyone has written him off), these communities should ignore him. His message of hate will get no where if people ignore him.

6/20/2005 2:00 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a confirmed bleeding-heart liberal myself, my views on the war would come as no surprise, but I find it disgusting that someone would choose a blog post about a military funeral as a place to start up an argument on the war.

If you see a mother grieving over the loss of her soldier son/daughter, would you think that was a great time to walk up to her and try to convince her that they died for a mistake? I think "asshole" would be the kindest possible word someone could apply to a person that does that.

As for these Phelps protestors, what a pathetic waste of humanity. I think the family did the right thing by taking the high road and not doing them the favor of a confrontation, but it must have taken an iron will. I can't think of many things worse than protesting at a funeral, and this particular protest is so disgusting there just aren't words for it.

Rest in peace, Carrie French. The rights you fought for are well worth defending, no matter how hard a few individuals may try to prove otherwise.

6/20/2005 3:11 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those who are, so correctly, outraged by Fred Phelps and his shameful protest of funeral should probably look into what drives him and work to challenge that - it is a very fundamentalist, very anti-gay agenda.

Perhaps it's time to stop letting "mainstream" fundamentalist like Falwell, Dobson, and Robertson have a free pass on their hateful rhetoric.

Perhaps it's time to stop letting fundamentalist control religious dialog in the country.

and perhaps it's time for the GOP to distance themselves from the hate of this part of their "base."

6/20/2005 3:50 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Umm... you are aware that Phelps is a Republican? That this is a fundie Christian GOP-sponsored protest?


6/20/2005 4:02 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

you have got to be kidding me sir. Your so blinded by your own hate that you didn't bother to fact check. This idiot Phelps is one of yours. A god, loving, fag, hating, republican. This idiot is one of yours. It's very hard to believe that you were an officer on a submarine. Doesn't that require a little critical thinking?

6/20/2005 4:20 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fred Phelps is nothing short of amazing. He has managed to do what few can. He has united a dyed-in-the-wool-liberal such as myself, with all of you on the subject of Fred Phelps.

I share your disgust of him and his concomitant actions.

And before any of you asphyxiate yourselves, I come from four generations of USNA graduates, great grandfather on down. Two of my uncles were career CIA, one had the Russian desk, the other had the China desk, during the cold war, until they retired. My other uncle was career Pentagon. So I feel pretty cofortable saying that this bullcrap about liberals and the military is nothing more than an attempt to dismiss some serious concerns with a wave of a tarbrush.

All of my family are democrats, Roosevelt democrats, Kennedy democrats and Clinton democrats. And I have never heard one of them say a disparaging remark about the military, just the opposite.

But here's the problem: the generals were never allowed to run this war. If they were, they would never have made the mistakes. The problem was, that the President and his political advisor had a little problem on their hands, namely, an America that wasn't more that very slightly over 50% in favor of the war. So at any point during the buildup, they had to continue the charade of this will be short and sweet, because it is unlikely the American appetite for war would have extended that far--say all the way to the 500,000 that were needed and coincidentally, the same number that Bush41 felt was sufficient to get the job done in Kuwait, but not enough for IRaq invasion. So how did it happen that this group wanted less. Well, the generals NEVER wanted less. But the political situation could not withstand more. So, you go to war with the political climate you have, huh?

Nope, I don't think that the mess in Iraq can be laid at the door of our wonderful and professional military. I aly the blame for this at politics directing policy, rather than deciding what the policy is going to be, and then helping to educate the public into agreement about the politics of any matter.

And that sucks.

6/20/2005 4:22 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

well, hell. i don't agree with almost anyone's political views on this blog, but what difference does that make? phelps and his bag of moronic psychopaths have no business at this woman's funeral, any more than they had any business at matthew shepard's.

i am somewhat left of karl marx, as anti-bush as they come, and believe that the iraqi invasion was one of the biggest war crimes of the last 50 years (but see? i avoid hitler references). and yet i weep for this fallen soldier, for a woman and for a family whose hearts were set on defending the freedom of the greatest nation on earth. i may believe her misguided, but never less than honored for her sacrifice.

oh, and if she was gay as phelps & co seemed to believe, i would have supported her right to marry another woman. a pretty small concession given what she risked and ultimately lost.

6/20/2005 4:42 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

An old friend of mine returned from Iraq just seven months ago. He opposed the war but couldn't let his division go without him despite not having to according to his military commitment.

He just won the primary to run for Congress.
As a Democrat.

Someone on here seemed to think that if you don't support the administration's policy then you don't support the troops.
They were wrong.
RIP all of our lost soldiers. And thank you to the wounded and healthy returning. I did not support the invasion but I place the blame where it is due. The soldiers do not make the policy.

6/20/2005 4:48 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

One other thought actually related to the theme of the original intent of this thread.
Thank you for shedding sunlight on Phelps. That's what democracy is about. Just as the Klan, who petitioned to protest in my town's public square, skulked back into the darkness when they saw the reaction of people after the spotlight was finally given to them, I expect Phelp's will eventually lose the funding to perpetrate these strange protests when more people shine the spotlight on them.

6/20/2005 4:58 PM

Blogger Bubblehead said...

CPL French, as far as anyone (including her boyfriend) knows, wasn't gay; the Phelps clan seemed to be protesting in order to a) get publicity for being unfeeling idiots, and b) pretty much because they seem to think that because we don't, I don't know, execute all gays or something, that the whole country is evil. People who both support and oppose the war can agree that Phelps' particular brand of hatred is extremely vile.

6/20/2005 5:06 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

On the other blog that is carrying these photos they are claiming that Phelps is a liberal and expecting them to defend him.
Funny how that works.

6/20/2005 6:01 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The left, anti-war types and Democrats, sorry I'm repeating myself, are always telling us how much they support our troops..."
"Now from, Bubbleheads, comes this report with photos of the anti-war crowd protesting at a military funeral! This is how far deranged the asshat anti-war movement has become.Check out this photograph of this asshat with a sign that says "Thank God for IED's" and "Thank God for 9/11"."

Funny how the worls works.

6/20/2005 6:09 PM

Blogger Bubblehead said...

For those who can't figure out the last comments, Marc at USS Neverdock linked to this post, and did seem to state his belief that he thought the Phelps' were run-of-the-mill anti-war protestors. (You'd have to look at some of the demonstrations in San Fran to show anti-war types encouraging violence against American troops.) Oliver Willis called him on it, without linking to me... anyway, that's where I believe these comments are coming from. Anyway, I encourage all comments from those who... well, who aren't binkyboy...

6/20/2005 6:55 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dont you think there might be some "anti-war" folks out there with children in the military that dont hate the soldiers but hate bushco's war for oil? Its amazing that the only way that one can "support our troops is to be for the war.

6/20/2005 7:36 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone want to play a game of peek-a-boo with my asshole?

- binkyboy

6/20/2005 8:23 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just to be clear, you and I are not in disagreement on Phelps.
I was the one who wrote of my friend's Iraq war experience and his congressional race and Democratic identity.
That said, in regards to Neverdock, Phelps is neither run-of-the-mill nor anywhere near a liberal anti-war protestor. He's a nut and his nuttiest aspects are more related to the extreme right side of our political spectrum than otherwise.

6/20/2005 8:47 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

And the anarchists who protested in San Francisco are not liberal Democrats either.
They're anarchists and probably condemn both parties. Just like those who show up at the G8 or World Bank conferences they are not claimed or defended by democrats or liberals.
If you think they are or should be then you'd better get used to claiming Phelps.

6/20/2005 8:54 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Binkyboy said...

Ah, it sucks when someone questions your masculinity, huh? Tell me, how can a big strong navy man stand there and listen to crazed madmen cursing young women and not even request that they at least stop verbally attacking women? Didn't you feel the least bit inclined to do something?

Oh, and as for my credentials, I figure that paying attention to all of the military experts, generals and even Senator "freedom fries" that the war has been poorly handled, has had little to no planning for the aftermath and is showing signs of being a "loss" for America arn't exactly personal credentials, but it is an accurate assessment of the current situation. I can't help it if you are so quick to write off Joint Chiefs and 4 star Generals once they stop supporting your beliefs and start speaking against the war. The only people currently supporting this war up top are those that havn't seen any of it, chicken hawks one and all. Do you like to align yourself with yellowbellied warblers?

In matters of strategy, I'm not a hawk. And don't always believe that liberals all support gun control.

8:46 PM

Anonymous said...

F*ck you, binkyboy."

Gotta love it. Binkyboy makes an argument. What does he get in response? "Fuck you." HAHAHA!!!! Dumbass can't even deal with reality, let alone respond with an argument.

6/20/2005 9:45 PM

Blogger Bubblehead said...

That's a good point. (The comment above this most recent one, that is.) I think that while most people on both sides can rationally discuss our differences on the justification for the war, the most extreme elements get the most press. If you'd like to see my thoughts on why I think expanding the GWOT into Iraq was the right thing to do (and a little on how we're screwing the aftermath) I invite you to check out my posts here and here.

6/20/2005 9:49 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just touched my special place.

- binkeyboy

6/20/2005 11:32 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

we all know that Gay marraige is way MORE important to worry about than healthcare, hell since nobody seems to notice EVERY ONE of those TERRORISTS on the 9/11 incident were Saudis, I guess that explains why we have to bomb Iraq. Screw anyone that says if your not for the war your not for the troops, hey republicans, why did your party vote against veterans of THIS war having medical treatment when they came home? You know, the poor army guys and girls who got their legs and arms blown off, what can you say about republicans supporting the troops. Please flame me I like Gay people!

6/21/2005 1:13 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"— George W. Bush

6/21/2005 1:15 AM

Blogger Ragin' Dave said...

To all the liberal commenters -

Would you like to know why I find you insulting and disrespectful? Because on a post about how Phelps and his clan of asshats were isulting and protesting the funeral of a soldier, you had to bring politics into it. Bubblehead didn't howl about how liberals were being rude, or how Democrats pissed him off, he spoke about how so called Christians acted at CPL French's funeral. And what did I read in the comments? Bullshit arguments that have already been refuted over the war in Iraq, insults against our president, and indiference to the actual subject of the post.

Lovely. Just lovely. Just for once, I'd love to read a comment from a liberal that mourned with us about CPL French's death without a "But, ChimyMcHalliburtion blah blah blah blah blah" added on to the end of it. However, since you obviously can't separate your politics from any other part of your life, I shouldn't expect you to act with appropriate behavior on this blog.

Bubblehead, as an Idaho resident currently stationed with the 65th RRC, I appreciate you writing about this. At least if I couldn't be there to support the French family, there were other military people there.

6/21/2005 6:32 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wasn't trying to be clever or snarky. I was pointing out how funny it was that some want the right to claim Phelps and some want the left to.
I thought it was funny.
See bubbleheads reply to my post.

6/21/2005 7:00 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just shit all over myself.

- binkyboy

6/21/2005 8:25 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

raging_dave, if it would really make you happy to read one such comment from a liberal, then please see my comment above.

6/21/2005 9:21 AM

Blogger Bubblehead said...

The comment directly above was distinctly unhelpful, so I felt I needed to delete it. It was "from the right" and could be constued as advocating physical violence against those who oppose the war. No place for that on my blog...

6/21/2005 12:22 PM

Blogger Bubblehead said...

OK, I guess the "remove permanently" option doesn't even leave evidence of the offending post... you can tell I'm not too proficient at deleting comments...

6/21/2005 12:23 PM

Blogger Scorpio said...

The Phelps family is a cult of nasty, small-minded, and unbalanced creatures from Topeka, KS. They are a disgrace.

6/21/2005 6:18 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a child in Iraq and I have a blog... but I'm posting anonymously just so the cops don't come looking for me and my arsenal if the phelpses ever show up at a funeral for a soldier that I might be at or near... If that group wants to exercise their 1st Amendment rights, I want to exercise my rights under the 2nd...

6/21/2005 9:48 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am sorry for the family of that girl, but this is not the first time US soldiers die to fulfil certain political goals (vietnam, korea etc...). It might not be very pleasant for her family to hear, nor it can be easily accepted by a common US citizen, but there actually is no other reason for that war except for the oil and control of a country in the middle of an important region of the world.
There were no proofs for the MD weapon presence, no proofs for the support of Al qaeda and all in all - no other way unavoidable danger for the national security. All the declarations of the contrary - are only statements of certain people, who are involved in the whole business (or hired by those involved, or fooled by them) and therefore can't be independent by default.
Of course there goes a guerilla war, where people die, but if, for example, China invaded the US (well... theoretically they can) - there would be the same situation in your country. Or maybe not - there is quite a different ideology in the islamic world, which leads us to another problem - the US has invaded the society of totally different ideology with its own view of the world.
This just couldn't work out. Your ideas and youe way of life are uncommon for the arab world.
For thousands of years European and Arabic civilisations were going in different directions and you hope that they will be happy to accept the Western way? That they will gladly exchange their national food for McDonaldses? That their women will gladly fight for the even rights when they were bought up with the idea they have to obey the men? There are more other examples - I am not saying I like everything about the Islamic world, but it worked ok for them until you came and said - for the last several thousands of years you lived wrong, we know a better way.
Stop dreaming - it is not going to be THAT easy. It will take several generations make them forget their way. You will get more terrorists, more people will start hating the US and maybe, if one day you will loose, nobody will pity you.
Oops. I sound like I hate the US, but it is not so. I try to be objective, and I have never been to US. All that I know about you - I get from the same news agencies and from the life around me which here in Russia is very much trying to become like yours. So I may be wrong, but even from the comments on this page I can see that there is a certain amount of US citizens who are ready to support the government in its every effort to "stop terrorism", blindly obeying every governments word. Too good to resist - every politisians dream. If there were no Al quaeda they would have to invent one. Meanwhile - no one will pay much attention to the internal problems, and you can always get more control of you own citisens under the purpose of "terrorist hunt". That may be so, that may not be so, but many of you just ignore that possibility which makes it no less possible. All I say is THINK. Not believe. Watch foreign news, not only CNN. Use the Internet - there are sites even in Iraq. "Even if you are not interested in politics - politics is interested in you" - rememeber? And stop repeating officials words - you have your own head.
For the good start there are several questions to think about:

Why US? You are not the richest people - so it is not about envy. You are certainly not the weakest. It even is not about your territory and resources - in Russia we have more (not that it helped us much). Your only difference is that you get involved. You come to other countries bringing the unwanted "democrasy" and you "perfect way of life". They may be better, but you FORCE people to accept them. So is this the reason? You decide.

Why Iraq? Zimbabve is worse, in Africa there are worse dictators, more people are dying in unending war and there is no even slight attempt to look democratic. Iran is democratic, in theory at least. No matter what Bush says - they LOOK LIKE democracy. They do not kill their own citisens. Not sure about the true situation - never been there, but neigther were you, so your opinion is no better, and Bush is not independent, as I said earlier. But it is more likely the US will attack Iran, not Zimbabwe (time will tell). Guess what? There is oil in Iraq and Iran, and no oil in Africa. Does it have anything to do with the war? Or maybe it is because Iraq was opposing the US? In Turkmenistan there are no signs of democrasy - pure dictatorship (I know that for sure - my friend is from there), but nobody cares. Because the ruler of the country supports the US. Allows them to have their air bases, sells them cheap oil and so on... Maybe that is the reason for the war in Iraq? You deside.

Please consider the above text as purely personal. I am not trying to be objective, just writing down my opinion and trying to argument it. Will be very glad if you do the same.

6/22/2005 12:21 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon from Russia,
If all you know of the US is through our media, then all you know is a bunch of lies and propoganda created by US citizens, who are part of our far left wing politically, who thought Stalin was a great leader who cared for his people and never hurt them.

No Al Queida in Iraq? Sorry, disproven so many times it's not worth reviewing. Of all the people who need to 'wake up and think" it is the Russian Government. Who is assisting the Chechen Rebels? Why are the US and Iraqi militaries capturing Chenchen "rebels" in Iraq? Why are Chechen "Rebel" websites hosted by Al Quieda? No evidence of WMDs? Russian Intelligence disagrees with you on that.

As for the protesters of this funeral, they are a cancer that no one in America (left or right) wants. This "religious" man is niether religious nor truly a man. He is a hatefull animal not deserving of pity.

Sorry, America has its eyes open, dispite what our/or your media says. We are fully aware of the costs of this VERY REAL War on Terror, a war you are fighting in Russia too. This enemy is not some Orwiellian invention, but one we have fought for decades. Unfortunatly, we fought it as a law-enforcement/criminal problem, and ignored the fact Al Quieda is beholden to no laws and know exactly how to get around them. This is the basis of the whole "the US abused me at GITMO". Our Congress has investigated this detention camp 20 times. We are running a camp housing illegal combatants, as defined by the Geneva Conventions, and treating them as legitimate POWs. But, as defined in Al Queida Training Manuals, they know all about our laws and how to get around them.

As for the Iraqi people not wanting us there, go to Iraq and ask a few. Don't go to the ones the media wants you to talk to, go to the real Iraqis and ask. They want us there and they want freedom. Humanity yearns to be free, not slaves.

We could have ended this in the 1990s, but as thw world was in the 1930's with the AXIS, we ignored and appeased our enemies until they became so emboldened only the sacrifice of our soldiers and resources can stop them....just as in the 1940s.

6/22/2005 3:02 PM

Blogger Ladye said...

Raging_Dave said...
To all the liberal commenters -Just for once, I'd love to read a comment from a liberal that mourned with us about CPL French's death without a "But, ChimyMcHalliburtion blah blah blah blah blah" added on to the end of it.

May she rest in peace and God be with her family during this time.


6/23/2005 8:16 AM

Blogger Berkley said...

Ignoring all the comments regarding the war my only wish in this comment is to say thank for showing you're support for our troops and for defending Cpl French and her family. The idea that someone would go so far in thier ideals and ignorant thinking and go and do that at a funeral is so dispicable. I understand not believing in the war, I do believe but some don't and that's ok but to protest at a funeral! A funerel for someone that died to protect this country so you even have the right to protest is incredibly arrogent, rude, and shortsighted. I am a military wife and if my husband happened to die during war and one of you self hating POS came and protested at his funerel let me tell you my foot would be lodged so far up you're ass!! So all in all thank Bubblehead!! To hear someone actually supporting the troops is something I for one know I need to hear. And btw if you really do support our troops then go protest in Washington DC and leave our troops out of it. You don't like the war then fine there are other ways and PLACES for you to vent you're frustrations a furnerel is not and will never be that place!!

6/24/2005 5:44 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gesh it never fails to amaze me how stupid some people can be! To protest at a soldiers funeral is just wrong and really f***ed up in my opinion! If you have a problem with the war then take it to Washington! Thank you for taking up for CPL French and her family people who would stoop so low as to protest at a soldiers funeral have some serious mental issues in my opinion. I can't imagine as a wife of a soldier how I would handle people protesting at his funeral..but I bet it wouldn't be a good reaction!

6/24/2005 8:13 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not sure what "God" Phelps worships, but is definitely isn't the Christian God, or and other God of a major religion.

Just another aside about Phelps's little group of Anti-Christs, they protested at the WTC Ground Zero after 9-11. There they stood mocking the victims, shouting/swearing at the rescue workers as they pulled bodies and living victims from the rubble, and demanding that the remaining (living) victims be left to die. They had signs mocking the victims, the FDNY and the NYPD. They SHOULD have been arrested then for “interfering with emergency personnel in the line of duty”.

This nutball also protested at Space Shuttle Columbia recovery, claiming that the astronauts had been killed to punish NASA and America for not speaking out against gays.

He also protests routinly at Rev. Billy Graham revivals, calling him a "Hell-bound false prophet". They also protest daily at a Topeka Catholic Church.

This cult also protests against anyone, or anything, they deem an “enemy”. Niether political or religious alignment nor logic have any bearing on what Phelps sees as an "enemy". These people are truly insane/fanatical and cannot be reasoned with. They are akin to the Wabbarahists of fanatical Islam who pervert anything to support their conclusions and narrow, hatefull views.

They also use massive lawsuites to fund their trips and protests and are almost as well funded as many far left socialist groups in that reguard. A majority of Phleps’ cult are laywers or have law backgrounds. They know how to push to within a hair’s breath of breaking the law and how to goad distraught and emotional family members into assaulting them. The restraint shown by the US Military Honor Guard, family of the fallen soldier, and community made it so Phelps couldn’t profit financially from this.

In addition, this little protest at a soldier’s funeral is bringing a lot of atention to this group. Attention they will not want. The group’s website indicates they will protest soldiers’ funerals in several states, including ones with large military bases and those with strong support for the War on Terror. I think this group will end up being followed with a microscope with law enforcement and counter-cult groups looking for anything they can to disrupt Phelps’ little cult operations.

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More from Phelps' little cult:

"Thank God for IEDs killing American soldiers in strange lands every day.

WBC rejoices every time the Lord God in His vengeance kills or maims an American soldier with an Improvised Explosive Device (IED). "The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked" (Ps. 58:10).

This nation bombed and raided the Westboro Baptist Church, and now the Holy God that Inhabits Eternity is repaying those heinous acts with His retaliatory wrath; "Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord" (Rom. 12:19).

To most effectively cause America to know her abominations (Ez. 16:2), WBC will picket the funerals of these Godless, fag army American soldiers when their pieces return home. WBC will also picket their landing spot, in Dover, Delaware early and often.

Face it, America! You have become a fag-filled nation of flag worshipers and necromancers. Your only terrorist is the Lord your God! He fights against you personally. "And I myself will fight against you with an outstretched hand and with a strong arm, even in anger, and in fury, and in great wrath" (Jer. 21:5). "

Guess what, I'm a soldier. I don't sopport homosexuality, don't support 'special rights' or any of that. I am a very conservative person. I believe a person should be judged by his/her character and actions and not their skin or deeds of their ancestors. I believe in minimal government. I believe in God. I do not believe a thing this idiot Phelps says. Nothing in the Bible supports what he says. Also, in the above, did he not just declare war on the USA? Just wondering..

And if the above quote from his own website isn't enought, here's another:

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Almost four years ago, God Almight struck this nation a direct, wrathful blow that you have ignored!! There is a gigantic hole where once stood the symbol of America's financial might, and all the preachers in this country can do is wring their hands and lie about how much God loves everyone.

God destroyed the WTC to punish America! Deal with it!

Bloody butcher Bush thinks he can distract from these facts by taking over Babylon with his fag army. As a result of his foolishness, body bags are coming home by the truckload.

Number of Americans who have entered hell as result of this bloody takeover of Babylon:


Statistically our soldiers are safer in Iraq than they are driving on most highways over the weekend. Our losses are less per any measure of time than they have been in any war previous. The terrorist losses are staggering and they are losing more every day. To say that my friends, family, and bretheren (all US soldiers) are burning in Hell because of a few laws he doesn't like is more than I think I can take.

That said, this little hate monger, no different in my eyes from the Far Left he supposidly hates, the NAZI/KKK crowd, or the terrorists he sides with (Phelps wrote a letter of support to Saddam), is not worthy of anything except contempt from all rational people.

6/24/2005 2:31 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pathetic only begins to describe the protesters at this hero's burial. I have, while serving our nation, and later as chaplain of our VFW post, spoken these words to grieving families:"In the name of the President of the United States, and on behalf of a grateful nation, please accept this flag. It is a symbol of our country and your loved one's (always mentioned by name)faithful service. God save the Republic" Those words have always been followed by a reverent and deliberate salute to the colors and the family members. Like many men before me, and many after, the proudest time I spent in uniform was as a member of the honor guard. Cpl French deserved better. I apologize to no one for the following comment. Its a pity that the full democratic process did not deploy itself in this instance. The nutballs most certainly have a right to protest in the most mean spirited way they choose. Those who hold a higher moral ground should have been given an opportunity to personally counsel them as to the error of their ways. Do I espouse violence as a response to disrespect for warriors killed in battle? I do. Don't try that shit in my back yard.
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6/26/2005 7:29 AM

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Hey MSgt,
To me Phelp's above quote were a declaration of war.

Don't know about you, but my oath indicated "all enemies foriegn and domestic".

Including ANSWER, Move-ON, WWP, "Neo" NAZIs, and the KKK, I classify this piece of filth and his cult of wackos as a "domestic Threat"

The worst part is I go on these honor guard missions and I don't think I have the restraint needed to hold back from killing these people.

Sorry, I'm human. And when confronted by evil, I no longer care about restraint.
USA (Active)

6/26/2005 9:19 AM

Blogger SleepsOnGrates said...

The protestors have a right to protest. Doing so against the backdrop of a family's grief indicates sociopathic behavior. A normal human being could empathize with the family, respect their time of grief, and protest elsewhere or at another time. I cannot but see a fundamental hypocrisy.

That the grieving family carried on, and even staunched a counter demonstration shows great compassion and dignity under the most difficult of circumstances. What better way to honor this young woman than to provide this fine example of her origins.

Whether one agrees with the war or not, there is no reason not to respect those grieving the fallen. I call it civility.

6/30/2005 4:07 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

if anyone is interested there is a website called that has an in-depth article on fred phelps and his spawn. it's very, very interesting, not too mention immensely disturbing. i'm all for free speech, but what fred phelps and his family does is absolutely disgusting.

7/26/2005 1:23 AM

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Well if that dont beet all. I was a very proud NON Commissioned Officer in the US Army Infantry injured in Balad Iraq. I Whole heartedly beleive that every soldier serving their country should have the respect of Heroes. I read your site it made me mad enough to hate . Yes i said hate stupid people. And the phrase that was said " a friend of my enemy is my enemy" is so true. It's just to bad that so many American have come to think like this. Not tryin to sound tough but I would gladly try to take a chunk out of a person if i saw them holding a sign sayin "thank God For IEDS". And I would smile all the way to jail for it .

8/08/2005 6:26 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please keep up the good work of exposing the work of Idoits such as Fred and his crazy family. If he and his are an example of what Mid-Western Family values are I want no part of them.

8/10/2005 1:18 PM

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Phelps and his WBC definatly do NOT represent mid-west values. They do not represent any "values" except hate and are not supported by anone I know of in the mid-west (maybe inthe Mid-East, but not the mid-west).


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9/22/2005 2:16 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am an Army Wife and a good friend of mine was killed in Iraq recently and these idiots are going to be protesting at his funeral and I can't wait to give them a piece of my mind!!! It is so sad that our Soldiers give these idiots the right to free speech and this is how they repay them.

1/30/2006 9:13 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't agree with Phelps but he's probably right on this one. American soldiers are barbaric murderers and those of them killed in Iraq are probably burning in hell as we speak.

2/18/2006 1:53 PM

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I know you posted this sometime ago but I happened to come across it on a search. I wanted to share with anyone who has a soilder returning home this group. They are a wonderful group of people and I hope to pass the word around about them.
God Bless America and our Soldiers who protect it.

3/13/2006 1:40 PM

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Anonymous said...
I don't agree with Phelps but he's probably right on this one. American soldiers are barbaric murderers and those of them killed in Iraq are probably burning in hell as we speak.


What the hell would YOU know about it? Are you a soldier? Have you been to Iraq? Have you ever spoken to a civilian living in Iraq? One who spent most of their lives under Saddam's rule, and for the first time, are experiencing some freedom?


Guess what? I HAVE. I am a 19-year-old OIF III Veteran in the U.S. Army, and proud of it. Why? Because I actually see what goes on through my own eyes, not through a camera! Until you can claim the same, you don't have the right to tell me anything about this war. You don't know.

I have never killed a child. I am not barbaric. The only barbaric deeds I've seen here are the ones commited by Iraqis! I've gone to the memorial services of my friends, I've sat up worrying about friends while they were on missions, I've repaired weapons blown to shit from IEDs. Sounds like we're really fighting innocent civilians, doesn't it? I suppose those same "innocent" civilians are the ones that like to shoot rockets and mortars onto my base.

It all comes down to you don't know shit about this war until you've served in it. Walk a day in Iraq, in our shoes, and then tell me we're all "barbaric murderers".

As for Phelps and his family, they sicken me. I pray to God I never meet them face-to-face, because I don't have some of the restraint I admire so much in a lot of you.

And my prayers are with the family, may CPL Carrie French rest in peace.

4/26/2006 3:41 AM

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God bless our soldiers. They are the ones tha tstand on the front line, right or wrong, they didn't decide to go to war. Don't hate our troops. They are out there risking their lives so that the rest of us can sleep in peace at night. Our troops handle the dirty work in all our lives so that we don't go at it alone. Any major national disaster, they are there; many charity events and causes, they are there; front lines protecting those that cannot protect themselves, they are there. Most of you sit here and comment on our soldiers nad yet have never left the safety and comfort of your own bubble and had to take a real stand on anything. There are many truths to life (one being politicians will falter) I do believe that we must finish what we started, like it or not, if we leave Iraq too soon, the state will not support itself and we will have an even bigger problem on our hands. Seriously people, its not our troops you should hate, go after the politicians. Don't target those that make the ultimate sacrifice, that give up very promising careers and tens of thousands of dollars to go and trully stand up for something they believe in. It is more than I can say for most of you.

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I got this from a friend, use it as you see fit. Excuse my profanity, but this Bitch needs to die. You don't need to make a scene at a funeral. There are better times and more appropriate measures to do then to disrespect the dead and inject pain adn agony into their grieving families lives. I didn't know French, I am from no where near Idaho. But I'll be damned if I wouldn't have stood there and placed my hand over my heart and thanked the lord as they layed a true hero into the ground.

It is said and I quote, "We must always fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil that we must fear the most, and that is the indifference of good men." Our soldiers are our good men. They care enough about all of you to pledge their lives if need be to protect you and keep you out of harms way. Do you know the only reason why we have never been invaded? If cyou couldn't figgure it out, it is our soldiers. Until 9/11, the continental US has never been attacked. Why? Our soldiers. If they did not care, we would not be the country we are today. In fact I fear we wouldn't be a country at all.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regardless of whether or not you believe this war was "poorly executed" or whatever else you have to say about it, if we pull out it would be a more disasterous move than going in there in the first place. Oh, and also, I dare you to go to Iraq and tell those soldiers that are working their asses off, that don't have time to brush their fucking teeth on a regular basis, that only get the see their spouses through letters and memories, that are so sick of seeing sand go tell them that what they are doing is "not well planned or executed." I dare you and we can just see what happens.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have to do a report on these Phelps fags you should make the site bigger so that more people see the crap that the do especially that quire son of his I hate that guy

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't believe how soul-less a person would have to be to protest at a soldier's funeral.

A person died in service of their country, period. The funeral is a time to remember that person and recognise their service and the ultimate sacrifice they made, as their family and friends say good bye and grieve.

Using it for anything else is disgusting. Acting like the 'phelp's clan' is about as low as I have ever seen.

2/09/2007 2:04 PM

Blogger art_exquisite said...

I am one of Carrie's cousins. Thank you for your post and the support that you have shared. I also thank you for bringing to light the Phelps family protests----which in my opinion are very ignorant. Hopefully one day these people will recognize how unproductive and damaging negative feelings can be.
Thanks again,

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I see where these bunch of liberal stupidhead were sued by the parents of one fallen GI looks like they fould out what WEIRD AL YAKLOVICH ment in his song DARE TO BE STUPID

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This has to be one of the longest comment strings I've ever seen (over 6 years).

I find it interesting that it's still relevant and the Phelps gang is still around. What a statement about our society that we allow them to go about their lives in relative safety, with the assurance of protection to continue pissing people off.

There is nothing Christian about their words or actions. I do, however, differ with a previous statement that said they were as close to Christians and the Islamic-Extremists are to Muslims. My disagreement stems from the outspoken way in which Christians condemn the words and deeds of Mr. Phelps in every way possible, including doing what they can to complicate his efforts. I don't see similar efforts for "normal Muslims" - That's all I want from them. Condemn idiots that you don't agree with at every opportunity - especially when they claim to represent you and are killing people. At least Mr. Phelps is just an easily-ignored idiot.

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It's all I wanna do
Everytime I breathe I feel brand new
You open up my heart
Show me all your love, and walk right through
As I lay my love on you

3/05/2012 2:54 PM

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Well I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be

3/14/2012 5:38 PM

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Let me tell you about my other friend now

My friend's got a boyfriend ((((and)))) she hates that dick
She tells me every day
He wants more dinero just to stay at home
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You gotta say:

4/26/2012 5:36 PM

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'And I let it all out to find/that I'm
Not the only person with these things in mind (inside of me)
But all the vacancy the words revealed
Is the only real thing that I got left to feel.(nothing to lose)
Just stuck, hollow and alone
And the fault is my own,
And the fault is my own.

4/28/2012 9:18 AM

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When I look in your eyes
I can feel the butterflies
Could you find a love in me
Could you carve me in a tree
Don't fill my heart with lies

5/02/2012 7:53 PM

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Don't think I haven't been through the same predicament
Let it sit inside your head like a million women in Philly been
It's silly when girls sell their souls because it's in
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5/03/2012 6:55 PM

Blogger trung said...

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The way you walk, your style of dress
I wish I didn't get so weak
Ooo, baby, just to hear you speak
Makes me argue just to see
How much you're in love with me
See, like a queen, a queen upon her throne

5/03/2012 7:39 PM

Blogger trung said...

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I just keep thinking about the love that we had
And I'm missing you
And nobody knows it but me

oooo oohhhhh yeah

Tomorrow morning, I'm a hit a dusty road
Gonna find you, where ever, ever you might go
And I'm gonna load my heart and hope you come back to me

5/09/2012 4:38 AM

Blogger trung said...

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And I'm nobody without someone like you
I'm trembling inside
And nobody knows it but me (yeah)
Lie awake, it's a quarter past three
I'm screaming at night if I thought you'd hear me
Yeah, my heart is calling you
And nobody knows it but me (well, well)

5/09/2012 9:34 AM

Blogger trung said...

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But like a jigsaw puzzle it's been torn all apart
Billion words couldn't say just how I feel
A million years from now you know I'll be loving you still

The nights are so lonely the days are so sad and
I just keep thinking about the love that we had
And I'm missing you
And nobody knows it but me

5/10/2012 12:35 PM


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