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Monday, April 13, 2009

Submarines And Pirates

Everyone seems happy with the resolution to the latest piracy incident off the coast of Somalia, where Navy forces treated pirates the way pirates have been treated throughout history -- they were captured or killed. Here's an interesting story about how the Navy SEAL personnel carried out their mission. Excerpts:
The operation to rescue Capt. Richard Phillips involved dozens of Navy SEALs, who parachuted from an aircraft into the scene near dark Saturday, landing in the ocean. The SEALs were part of a group of Special Operations forces involved in the effort, according to military officials...
...The SEALs set up operations on the USS Bainbridge, which had been communicating with the four pirates via radio and had used smaller boats to make deliveries of food and water to their lifeboat. Yet the pirates were growing increasingly agitated, the officials said. At one point Saturday, the pirates opened fire on one of the smaller U.S. Navy craft that approached.
As the seas grew rougher, the Bainbridge offered to tow the lifeboat to calmer waters, and the pirates agreed, linking up the lifeboat to the destroyer with a towing cable that left 75 to 80 feet between the two vessels. Phillips at the time was tied up in the lifeboat, having been bound -- and occasionally beaten -- by the pirates ever since he had attempted to escape by jumping into the water on Friday, the officials said...
...U.S. military observers thought that Phillips was about to be shot. SEAL snipers, who were positioned on a deck at the stern of the Bainbridge, an area known as the fantail, had the three pirates in their sights. The on-scene commander gave the snipers authority to fire.
"As soon as the snipers had a clear shot at the guy who had the rifle, they shot him and the other two in the hatches," the senior military official said.
Some parts of the story are amazing -- the pirates actually accepted a tow from the U.S. warship? Other parts I find, to be honest, a little bit Hollywood-ish. Why would the SEALs parachute into the water, when they could have landed on USS Boxer and then come in by helicopter? I wouldn't be surprised to eventually find out that they might have been a SEAL detachment that normally rides around on an SSGN.

Obviously, there are things that submarines can do to help in the war on terror and piracy that we certainly don't want to talk about here -- those readers who aren't submariners will just have to trust us on that. I'd be happy, though, if Big Navy would open up a little bit to acknowledge that contributions of submarines to 21st century warfare in a non-specific way.

For this whole hostage situation, I'm really glad it turned out that the U.S. Navy was only "negotiating" with the pirates in order to get some time to get our assets in place. I was really worried that the new administration just didn't get that there are bad people in the world who need to be killed; I'm glad to see that they do recognize this simple truth. In Western culture, kidnapping and piracy have traditionally been capital offenses, and the Somali pirates should make an effort to understand our feelings in this regard. (As you might guess, I'm sick and tired of people saying that we always need to be the ones to make allowances for other cultures.)


Anonymous Anonymous said...

So would anti-pirate operations by submarines necessitate the return of DECK GUNS to SSNs?

Mk48s and Tomahawks seem to be a little too much and M240s seem to be not quite enough.

4/13/2009 6:10 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Obviously, there are things that submarines can do to help in the war on terror and piracy that we certainly don't want to talk about here."

As a former COB on a DDS capable attack boat (not a converted boomer) I completely agree. I will comment that it is imperative that the CO and COB must be prepared to think way outside of the box.

BZ to the men that made the rescue possible.


4/13/2009 6:20 AM

Blogger a_former_elt_2jv said...

Deck guns would kick ass!

4/13/2009 6:29 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

My SEAL bud who is retired told me they would use subs and snipers. The poor pirate scum didn't know what hit them. Just the same, taking out the garbage.

4/13/2009 7:16 AM

Blogger phw said...

Joel, your posting implies that the Navy was not negotiating in good faith. I think they were negotiating in good faith because it would have been a better outcome had they rescued the captain without shooting the pirates. They weren't going to get that without negotiating.

As far as deck guns for submarines-- are you kidding me? Someone must have a serious case of skimmer envy to be even thinking of something like that.

4/13/2009 7:54 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Phw – Deck Guns were the norm on the Smoke Boats. Worked great then. They were used when they didn’t want to expend a torpedo.

Now the contention should be what do we do with the captured pirate? I say give him a fair trial on the Bainbridge, hang him from the fantail and pull into Somalia with him. OK, maybe a little to radical.

A couple of well placed Tomahawks on the pirate leaders homes wouldn’t hurt either.

That Damn Good Looking Aganger From Iowa

4/13/2009 8:07 AM

Blogger Aught Severn said...

If they were negotiating in good faith, I hope that the only terms they were 'negotiating' included both the release of the master and the arrest of all pirates involved with no payment at all.

Piracy on the high seas cannot and should not be tolerated, not even to the point of giving those involved the benefit of real negotiations. To do so would be to embark on a slippery slope which could end with making concessions to the likes of al Qaeda and al Shabaab. In fact, it's more than likely that these pirates were acting with approval from al Shabaab which is currently the de facto authority in that region (iirc). So if it assuages your conscience, think of them as terrorists that have been killed rather than "just" pirates.

4/13/2009 8:17 AM

Blogger phw said...

Made sense then too (but only marginally so), since submarines couldn't stay down for very long. So what are you going to do with that deck gun? Blow up a freighter? Take on a Zodiak with your 500MM boat? Bainbridge would have done already if that was truly an option. Submarines are great at stealthiness, so why give it up by spending time on the surface shelling things?

4/13/2009 8:22 AM

Blogger Don the Baptist said...

Darn! I was hoping the SEALs would attach a line from a sub to the life boat, the sub would change depth five feet and swamp the life boat, offering the SEALs a change to rescue the capt.--talk about Hollywood.

4/13/2009 8:22 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

United Defense Technologies developed a 155mm vertically fired gun for DDX. Would have been mounted internally and reduced the radar x-section. It could shoot GPS guided munitions 100nm but couldn't fire at a target 100 yds away. It had a big myoptic zone and was dropped.

It will fit in a Trident tube and an article on this was published by the Submarine Review in summer 2004 entitled "Time to Man the Deck Gun".

4/13/2009 8:46 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Port Tack Start actually has it backward. The Pirates don't work with the likes al Qaeda and al Shabaab - they're generally at war with them. Which is why, generally speaking, the Bush administration hadn't looked to totally root them out. Getting rid of the pirates would have left that region completely in the hands of the terrorists and religious extremists.

4/13/2009 8:57 AM

Blogger Steve Harkonnen said...

This story should not be published at all. The Seals do not normally reveal how they carry out these black ops. I feel this really shouldn't be discussed and the question about it being classified comes into view.

4/13/2009 9:04 AM

Blogger phw said...

Ok, 155mm guns mounted on submarines...

I just imagine the USS Ohio at periscope depth. They have a new 155mm rail gun mounted in their missile tubes. The crew extends the barrel of the gun from the missile tube to the surface (well it's a big gun!). They clear the water from the gun and fire it at targets 100 nm away. Quick! Retract gun, and
dive deep and none's the wiser.

Could work, but there's something distinctly loony-toonish about this idea.

4/13/2009 9:20 AM

Blogger chief torpedoman said...

I will agree that too much discussion about how the seals did this is not good. Sufficient to say they done good! Seems to really show why we have the "Don't Tread On Me" on our Jack.

4/13/2009 9:21 AM

Blogger Steve Harkonnen said...

I'm not blaming the blogger here at all, but I emailed the writer of the piece and advised her she's unknowingly revealing classified details about a SEAL op. Further, her "sources" need to be punished for this.

4/13/2009 9:25 AM

Blogger Free The Nucs said...

Arrr! I guess they'll have to add snipers to Pirates of the Caribbean IV, says I!

4/13/2009 9:26 AM

Blogger phw said...

Oh yeah. I concur about the seal discussion. The less said, the better.

4/13/2009 9:26 AM

Blogger Aught Severn said...


I have no data on the pirate interaction with aS, however I just don't see why that would be the case (pirates vs. aS). Could you point towards a reference?

From what I know of that region, Somalia is pretty much in the hands of terrorists. You have the TFG stuck in the north, ICU was removed from the south by the TFG back in the day, and aS removed TFG, AMISOM, and the Ethiopians from the south fairly recently. I just have trouble seeing why the pirates would really care at all about who was in charge so long as they were given enough latitude to make some profit.

4/13/2009 9:30 AM

Blogger phw said...

Now, as far as negotiation is concerned. I have no heartburn about shooting pirates. I also don't want pirates shooting hostages at the first sign of a US Navy destroyer. This is where we are heading for if we give the impression that when we negotiate, we are only interesting in buying time.

4/13/2009 9:45 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The third pirate advanced toward the captain and pointed his AK-47 straight at Phillips's back,..."

For the interior scene (above) to have been observed required fancy technology that has not been identified.

Infrared viewers certainly, but we may also guess "see-through-the-wall radar" may be available on the Bainbridge. - ordinary seaman

4/13/2009 9:55 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The pirate boat was under tow by the Bainbridge, on a 90 foot tow line. You don't need state of the art, super secret whiz bang technology to see a man's head at 30 yards in the dark. 'Nam era starlight scopes, which you can buy on e-bay, work just fine at that distance. The skill of the shooters is the remarkable part of this story.

4/13/2009 10:04 AM

Blogger montigrande said...

The tradition of snipers being assigned to US Navy ships dates back to the USS Constitution. In those days they were “naval infantry” as in Marines as opposed to the SEALs of today. I just doubt that an effective “fighting top” could be incorporated into the SSGN program, although there may be enough mast height on a DDG.

4/13/2009 10:10 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with previous posted comments about not discussing details on an open forum. If you tell your enemy your capabilities, and inform him of his mistakes, you are educating him. It should be sufficient to note that we have the ability and will to take out the bad guys.


4/13/2009 10:32 AM

Blogger Steve Harkonnen said...

Well, I notified NSA. It's a shot in the dark, and I highly encourage all of you to do the same thing:


Not sure if this is the correct POC but I believe that this article, published in the Washington Post, reveals classified details on specific Navy SEAL operations recently conducted:

The writer may not have been aware, but by her mentioning the location of SEAL forces on specific naval vessels, and methods used to conduct these operations, she's revealed classified information. During my tenure in the navy and working with classified materials I always knew for a fact that SEAL operations are to be kept in secret. The writer's "sources" should be sought out and punished. I was shocked that this article actually was published.

You can contact the writer of the piece here:

I feel it is absolutely vital that you be tipped off on this.


USN Retired

4/13/2009 10:45 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time to bring back Q-ships.

4/13/2009 10:58 AM

Blogger MM1(SS) - ELT said...

The ending would have been more poetic if the trigger pullers were Marine snipers given that dealing with pirates is why the Marines were founded.

4/13/2009 11:00 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

" see a man's head at 30 yards in the dark. 'Nam era starlight scopes, which you can buy on e-bay, work just fine at that distance."

Anonymous (10:04 AM), we ain't talkin in the dark. Read MORE CAREFULLY: "the interior scene". (hostage and pirate not visible through lifeboat's cover). - ordinary seaman who can read

4/13/2009 11:36 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

A few years ago I visited EPCOT in in Orlando. The Moroccan pavilion made a big deal about Morocco being the first nation to recognize the USA after the start of the revolution. I thought that was bit disingenuous since they were really saying we should now pay them (Barbary pirates) tribute or else since we were no longer under the protection of the Royal Navy nor covered by the tribute that England paid. This provided the USMC one of its first missions. We should take a lesson from that bit of history.

4/13/2009 11:54 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...


The last gun-armed US Submarine in commission was USS Perch APSS-313. She was armed with a wet mount 40MM cannon on a sponson forward of the bridge and a 40MM cannon on the cigarette deck. Her last battle stations gun-action took place on August 20, 21, 1966 near Qui Nhon viet Nam. Perch opened fire with both 40MM's and .50 Cal machine guns to assist extraction of a UDT team that was receiving Viet Cong fire from the beach. On the night of August 21, 1966 lying to on the surface 500 yards from shore she again opened fire with her deck guns and machine guns on enemy troops moving into position around a small ARVN force on the beach. Several secondary explosions of VC ordnance was observed. the ARVN force was extracted. USS Perch was relieved by USS Tunny APSS-282 the following month. Perch returned stateside for decommissioning. Tunny had several members of her crew trained for rigging topside to allow UDT teams to concentrate on the mission, and a portion of the crew trained as a "reaction force" to assist UDT extraction, or repel an enemy vessel. Tunny carried .50 Cal Machine Guns as did many smoke boats that operated in that area.

source--SEALS, UDT/SEAL Ops in viet Nam, T.L. Bosiljevac, Ivy books New York, 1990.

four years later I served with some of the Perch and Tunny guys on SS-580.

Keep a zero bubble......


4/13/2009 12:10 PM

Blogger Free The Nucs said...

>> The writer may not have been aware, but by her mentioning the location of SEAL forces on specific naval vessels, and methods used to conduct these operations, she's revealed classified information.

Well, isn't that just Ducky!


4/13/2009 12:11 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

ordinary seaman who can read -

read this:

4/13/2009 12:17 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Further, her "sources" need to be punished for this."

You've got to be kidding right?

You know the person putting this info out is probably a civilian DoD official who coordinated exactly what would be told to the press with the relevant parts of the chain of command. Chances are what was reported is probably not the whole story.

As this is the rate instance when the SEALs can be recognized without compromising anything, then perhaps we don't need to bother the NSA (really? the NSA?) with extra e-mail.

4/13/2009 12:17 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous (12:17 PM)
"U.S. Defense officials said snipers got the go-ahead to fire after one pirate held an AK-47 close to Phillips’ back." (INSIDE THE LIFEBOAT COVER)

"Two other pirates popped their heads up out of the lifeboat, giving snipers three clear targets from the Bainbridge, one official said." (OUTSIDE THE COVER)

Reading means comprehending. Guessing you are a skimmer, better at assuming than comprehending.

- ordinary seaman who can read and bust chops

4/13/2009 12:35 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Reading means comprehending. Guessing you are a skimmer, better at assuming than comprehending."

Um, to be fair, I'm not the one making assumptions about where everyone was relative to the lifeboat cover. Pot, Kettle, 2JV.

4/13/2009 12:48 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous pot, kettle, 2JV -
Assumption is the MSNBC news story you cited had credibility. Can we agree, that the author leaves many open questions, not among which is whether the lifeboat was a covered type?

4/13/2009 1:02 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lifeboat was covered type. Has a small engine, limited amount of fuel, steering station aft, sits high, has a port looking forward over the top of the boat for the helmsman. There are doors on the side for entry-exit.

Keep a zero bubble.......

DBFTMC(SS)USNRET. Also USCG MMD, AB Unlimited with Lifeboatman endorsement.

4/13/2009 1:45 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heres a link to the story on CNN..

Source is VADm Bill Gortney. Two exposed head and shoulders, the third could be seen through a window.

4/13/2009 1:50 PM

Blogger Steve Harkonnen said...

....then perhaps we don't need to bother the NSA (really? the NSA?) with extra e-mail.

Yeah. Let's just sit back and not say a word about it. Move along folks, nothing to be concerned about here? Is that your MO?

4/13/2009 2:09 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

What exactly is the problem Steve?

They bad guys showed deadly intent. They leveled a rifle barrel at their intended victem. They BainBridge was given no choice but to fire on the transgressors.

There's not one major news agency who doesn't know about what happened. The country is behind the Navy 100% as we can all clearly tell. so there really isn't a problem.

4/13/2009 3:09 PM

Blogger John Byron said...

Two comments:

Ideas like return-of-deck-guns and the like violate a first principle of submarines: do not do with submarines what you can do more easily with something else.

And this continual whining about 'classified' information being tattled in the open press is just that. The really tight stuff stays tight, it helps deterrence to inform potential enemies what they might face, and in an open society information should flow like water. I'm always amazed that individuals sworn to uphold the Constitution seem to have never read its First Amendment, the principles of which form a sacred definition of American freedom. You guys need to get out more...

4/13/2009 3:36 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Pirates showed Opportunity, Capability and most importantly INTENT!! The pirates showed active Intent to shoot and end the life of Captain Phillips. The man had an automatic rifle pointed at his back.
The Pirates wouldn't abide by or listen to reason. They elevated the necessary use of force to end this scene as quickly and as soon as possible. The pirates did this by their actions and words. For them it was a matter of stubborn pride like that of a school yard bully. Well the bullies in this case got their asses beat, and rightfully so. Let that serve as an example of not to fuck with our citizens and overseas properties & interests.

Everyone is loving the Navy for dealing directly with these 2-bit pirates.

Thanks, J.

4/13/2009 4:05 PM

Anonymous boat goat said...

Here's something none of us have ever seen before:

>> You guys need to get out more...

The official quack of the duck, which probably doesn't leave the nest except to name-drop at the VFW.

Anyone else here still going to sea, unlike Mr "get out more" duckman? Show of hands?

Wow, look at all those hands.

4/13/2009 4:31 PM

Blogger John Byron said...

Boat Goat-

After 37 years active duty I need not take gas from a boot...

The isolation from the mainstream of American life of those on active duty and their families is something I've commented on in print over the years, as have others. Characteristically conservative, servicemen and servicewomen nonetheless rely on a military welfare system for support (socialism at its best). Sworn to uphold the Constitution, many tend to deny its basic tenets. 'Get out more' is shorthand for a suggestion that the richness of American life and society is something many on active duty self-limit themselves from experiencing.

It's a valid point, but ignorance has a compound quality: if you don't know something, you usually don't know you don't know it. The only cure I know for this distance between the military and the society it protects is a return of the draft and the induction of individuals who see themselves as citizens first and not members of some sacred warrior caste. Willie and Joe still stand as the best role models for the American serviceman.

4/13/2009 5:00 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't you just love how they're puffing up the skimmers by reporting how their CO "gave permisson" to take down the pirates? My my. He must have Really Big Ones. Those SEALs had what they needed before they ever got their froggy little feet wet, guaranteed. Imagine, asking an occifer who wouldn't trust them with the silverware if they could shoot? No Freaking Way. As for NSA, crap. Why feed the REMFs? All you're doing is bilging some poor PAO.

4/13/2009 5:59 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep in mind: we do not have an official secrets act (unlike the UK). Reporters are free to report even very sensitive or classified materials.

That being said, the Navy is being very open with the press on this, for obvious reasons. I'm a bit shocked I'm agreeing with the Duck here, but there are good reasons for citizens to know about this incident and have a chance to get behind their Navy. There are also good reasons to let our opponents know a bit about our capabilities - deterrent value. We want the pirates to be too scared to do this again.

FTN - I agree with you, 99 out of 100 times on this sort of stuff. But keep in mind, there is sometimes value in terms of our national objectives, to releasing this sort of information. Diplomacy by other means.

4/13/2009 6:06 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Goodness 5:59 PM ANON. Could you possibly be a little more full of shit?

The Bainbridge Skipper had the first and last say in this matter. And would look at that?? We had ourselves a happy ending, ain't that great? Thanks for playing, but you're dead wrong by a factor of 180 degrees.

4/13/2009 6:08 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

It had a happy ending because nobody had to play mother may I. Can you imagine the conversation with Castellano?
"Say skipper, One's got a bad guy dialed in."
Yeah...wait, Two's got one too!"
"Three's got a head!"
"What do you say, skipper? Can we take the shot?"
"You won't miss, will you?"
"We'll try not to."
"Promise? I mean, can you imagine what they'll do if Something Bad Happens?"
"Shit, skipper, something bad has already hasppened."
"You don't have the big [picture, lieutenant. Just stand by while I clear this with Uncle Gortney. ButI'll get right back with you."
Castellano was driving the bus. The SEALs called the shots.

4/13/2009 6:52 PM

Blogger Free The Nucs said...

You know him, you love him, and he's better than us all:

"After 37 years active duty I need not take gas from a boot..."
~ Our Hero, the Duckmeister.

(1) Oddly enough, my old Engineer said something very similar to me right before he ignored my strenuous objections and started up a very expensive piece of equipment we hadn't finished troubleshooting. Guess what happened? Sorry; "time in" and "wisdom" are not synonymous.

(2) You have no idea how many years I (or anyone else on the internet) has in the military. For that matter, you yourself could just be some 4 & out deck div'er who just can't let it go. The fact that you still have no clue what "silent service" means inclines me towards the latter; I've never met a submariner in real life who was okay with the Clancy-esque "declassifying" of the info that keeps us safe.

4/13/2009 6:59 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

4/13/2009 6:52PM Anon,

Yes the Seals were calling the shots that night. But that was only after the Captain allowed them to do so. Belittling him and his call to action is a sign of weakness of you personally and your dimwitted point of view.

Do you not realize how stupidly you've presented yourself here Anon?

Your name isn't Mike Mulligan is it?

4/13/2009 7:16 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all those who need move to larger box shorts…

Did any info leak out before the mission was done? I don’t think so. After it was done – has anything that needs to be kept quiet leaked out? Again, I don’t think so.

There seems to be a thought that SEALs are stationed on some ships. Now that would be a big surprise! Here today, gone tomorrow is a much more likely scenario. And, unless there were using some secret device to get on and off the ship, how they accomplished that is probably not even a big deal.

Just like a SWAT team, secret until it’s over then it’s the lead for all the news outlets. Note that I am not saying that is true of all SEAL Ops, just that there are quite a few that fit in this category.

Finally, if the NSA cares about how the info got out, I submit that there are problems similar to what I thought were cleared up some 20 years ago that are raising their ugly, traitorous, heads.


4/13/2009 8:05 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Harkonnen writes in the same style as Mulligan.

Just sayin.

4/13/2009 8:40 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Boat Goat,

20 years Navy time on smoke boats and one Nuc. Retired 1977.

Went back to sea with Military Sealift command in late 2002 as a Civilian Mariner sailing with a USCG MMD as Able bodied Seaman unlimited. Spent last 6 years in the deck department on USNS Arctic T-AOE-8, USNS Shasta T-AE-33, and USNS Kiska T-AE-35. I've been providing direct support to the Navy and Marines hauling ammo for them where ever needed, and proud to be doing it! I'm also a member of the VFW and show up for my shipmates when I'm in port.

What have you done lately for your Navy???

Keep a zero bubble.....


4/13/2009 8:51 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

{And, unless there were using some secret device to get on and off the ship, how they accomplished that is probably not even a big deal.}

Shame on you! You've leaked the existence of the SEAL Teleportation Device (STD). I've notified the NSA of this violation - we don't want the enemy to know that our sailors have got the STD, or just how many STDs we have. Just saying.

And to the anon poking at Harkonnen: its ok if you disagree with him, but he's real - check out his blog. Calling someone Mulligan is pretty low.

4/13/2009 9:21 PM

Blogger Steve Harkonnen said...

Harkonnen writes in the same style as Mulligan.

Just sayin.
LOL, anon. You're even scaring me with that label! Who or what is Mulligan?

4/13/2009 9:37 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shame on you! You've
leaked the existence of the SEAL Teleportation
Device (STD). I've notified the NSA of this violation - we don't want
the enemy to know that our sailors have got the STD, or just how many
STDs we have. Just saying.
Oh Crap! Guys in black suits and sun glasses are knocking on my door!


4/13/2009 9:38 PM

Blogger Steve Harkonnen said...

And to the anon poking at Harkonnen: its ok if you disagree with him, but he's real - check out his blog. Calling someone Mulligan is pretty low.Holy cow, other anon! Did I really raise some dander in here? I sure hope not. All I did was send a notification to the authorities that there was a possible compromise.

So maybe I was wrong about that and perhaps over-reacted a bit. After all, this story has turned into a positive media story for the president, who seems to be taking on full credit for the actions of the SEAL team who did an outstanding job.

But overall thanks for pointing out that I do have a blog. The topic may bore most of you though.

I kinda feel sorry for this Mulligan guy - he's being compared with me. Imagine that!

4/13/2009 9:41 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

First off, I think what the SEALS did was righteous and believe the SEAL team commander & the Bainbridge CO worked together. A nice move and that fact that the country is happy with the Navy is a great bonus.

The CO from what I read (open source) was taking inputs from a fibbie hostage negotiator. Who really cares who actually gave the tactical green light? Either way they had to get permission from way above first.

I didn't see anything in any post that revealed classified data. I read the message that rhymes with binnacle - it was pretty succinct and didn't reveal anywhere near the details (whether they are accurate or not is another story) that the papers published.

As to the penis measuring back & forth w/ time in service, give it a rest.

I don't want a deck gun on my boat. A few shoulder fired rocket launchers and better rifles that we could put in a locker would be mighty fine though. Ought to do just fine against pirates...


4/13/2009 11:54 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's this I'm hearing? We're going to install deck guns on our boats at present? Where shall we store all the extra ammo? That's going to be a really serious challenge for the fast attacks. I've heard we are going to add the GM rate back to the boats too. Oh, I also want a 50cal twin gun station mounted forward of the sail. Don't you think that would be effective? I guess I'll have to cross rate to GM. Dammit I knew I should have taken the GM1 test last time.

Oh wait a sec, let's forget all that and just recommission some of the WWII Balao class boats Since I'm honestly not certain if we have any left over in moth balls, we'll have to take back the 6 or 7 museum boats from around the country. Isn't there a captured WWII U-boat on display in Chicago?
We might need that one too. Hopefully the enigma machine still works.

I'm going to draft a letter to the Sec-Nav and the CNO with these suggestions right now. I'll be certain to include the name of my boat and the names of my CO, XO and Chief. I'm certain they'll take a full interest in my recommendations.

A deck gun on one of today's boats? Honestly, you gotta be kidding!

4/14/2009 1:10 AM

Anonymous MM1/SS (Nuc Type) said...'s only 3 chunks of meat

The news about the Seal team was not "a leak". It was purposefully put out by the Navy.

3 scumbags are dead, and you people focus on a supposed revelation of "classified material"....hardly

I'm all for keeping Secrets secret. Some dumb wife way back when caused my ship to stay at Sea for almost 1 month extra because the dumb bitch was out in town blabbing our schedule.

The NSA thing is overdone though...and you may be real, but by god you are annoying Steve. And I agree with the anon, You and Mike Mulligan are extremely similar...eerily so

4/14/2009 1:22 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

but he's real - check out his blogI did. It weird that someone who signed an email "USN Retired" would label himself as a UK expatriate and would be so passionate about the BNP. Ultranationalists are not known for their service in foreign navies. (although I suppose John Derbyshire is an example of someone who would be a nominal British National Party supporter and recently naturalized US citizen - so Mr Harkonnnen's biography is not impossible )

Anyway, I'm more of an Atreides man myself.

4/14/2009 1:53 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

HEY!! You guys stop talking about the addition of deck guns. You know it's TOP SECRET. No one is supposed to know that we're trading in all of our Tridents for deck cannons, 50cals and 45cal Tommy guns. Additionally, rig for ultra quiet on the intel that the 50cal tracers being issued will be bright pink rather than bright orange. How do you know the pirates aren't reading this blog?

So stop talking about all this or I'll call the President and tell on all of you for giving away the above mentioned Top Secrets.

M2 WidgetHead

4/14/2009 2:23 AM

Blogger Srvd_SSN_CO said...

I like this kind of negotiation with pirates. It reminds me of the 'negotiation' scene in "The Fifth Element." Bruce Willis does some great negotiating in that film.

We need to negotiate with all the pirates! Give em all what we need!

4/14/2009 4:07 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

For the one or two people who may not have ever seen Fifth Element-style negotiation, here's the clip.

4/14/2009 6:21 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Damn DBFTMC(SS)USNRET, why don’t you get some time on the pond.

That Damn Good Looking Aganger From Iowa (says with a grin and respect)

4/14/2009 8:06 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Honestly, 16 to 19 years olds, don’t you have some sympathy and sorrows with the adult’s placing kids in such a situation. I am not second guessing the Seals, they had to do what was required of them.

Don't you feel sorry for the Seals...I don't care if it was justified...they were forced to kill children!

mike mulligan

4/14/2009 9:47 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mike, if they'd done the same things in the U.S., (and captured without being killed) they'd have been tried as adults. As they did this on the high seas, they were 'tried' under international law for what they pirates. Children don't brandish automatic weapons and attempt to steal sovereign vessels. Pirates do.

But, completely inadvertently, you've finally raised a very valid point, and one that most people in the U.S. are not at all aware of: in the Middle East and Africa, what our world (not just the U.S.) is really at war with is extreme poverty, youth and ignorance.


Uganda - median age 15, illiteracy 33%+, per-capita GDP $1,100

Yemen - median age 16.8, illiteracy 50%, per-capita GDP $2,400

Iraq - median age 20, illiteracy 26%, per-capita GDP $4,000

Afghanistan - median age 17.6, illiteracy 72%, per-capita GDP $800 (eight hundred dollars)

Pakistan - median age 20.8, illiteracy 50%, per-capita GDP $2,600

Compared to:

USA - median age 36.7, illiteracy 1% (one percent), per-capita GDP $47,000

Know your enemy, my friends...and in this particular case, it is ignorance, youth and poverty.

4/14/2009 10:37 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

If a child is holding a loaded AK-47 to my head and threatening to pull the trigger, I hope someone shoots the little bastard.

4/14/2009 10:39 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are judged by the morals of the society you are in Mulligan.
They are saying they were teenagers but what part? 13 or 19. Doesn’t matter to me.
Age is handled differently in different countries. It wasn’t that long ago, in the United States, that a 15 year-old boy was considered a man and had better be providing for the family or a 16 year-old girl was ripe for marriage and starting a family.
These “KIDS” were old enough to attack a ship, shoot weapons, take and threaten a hostage. I’d say expending a round of ammo was a good cost of making sure they don’t do that again.
The sad thing is that the little twerp that got caught will be let go with a pat on the head and fanny and told not to do that again. He’ll go back to the village as a hero with experience and will do it all again.
If you don’t like that, hop on a plane, fly over there and provide counseling and direction for those poor, misguided souls. They’ll listen and you’ll turn their lives around. Trust me.

4/14/2009 11:08 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

4/14/2009 11:08 AM Anon, has come up with a winning idea for you Mulligan. In good faith and support, I'm will to bet most of the posters on this blog would be happy to throw in a donation for your plane ticket. I suspect it's going to be a long deployment Mulligan, so start packing.

4/14/2009 11:25 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

We got through fourty comments and a full two days before the troll's name came up. It's clear that when y'all start getting bored with the direction the comments are taking, you begin to feel the need to do a little Mikey bashing. It's sad and it's starting to look like a trend.

Now it's beginning to look like Mikey may have a brother named Stevie???

4/14/2009 11:51 AM

Blogger Steve Harkonnen said...

MM1 nuctype:

"The NSA thing is overdone though...and you may be real, but by god you are annoying Steve. And I agree with the anon, You and Mike Mulligan are extremely similar...eerily so"

if you weren't ADD you have read that I reconsidered that perhaps my letter was a bit overdone. Your ignorance is also forgiven.

4/14/2009 12:15 PM

Blogger Steve Harkonnen said...

Now it's beginning to look like Mikey may have a brother named Stevie???LOL, I'm by far no troll like your buddy, anon.

How many anons are in here?

But I can dish it right back atcha anytime. All I'm here for is general interest and I think this guy runs a great blog. I am definitely not in here to start up things.

But as for house atreides....meh.

4/14/2009 1:34 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...or a 16 year-old girl was ripe for marriage and starting a family."

When did that stop being the norm? I really love my sister!

mike mulligan

4/14/2009 7:39 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off-topic, but breaking news: HARTFORD CO fired by RDML Connor today:

4/14/2009 7:42 PM

Blogger Don the Baptist said...

The CNN article says "There were about 200 sailors in the sub"

Sounds like a tight squeeze to this lubber. They must've been lining the decks with all those hands and covering them with plywood to walk on.

4/14/2009 8:03 PM

Anonymous Fast Nav said...

All I'm saying is, if you notified the NSA for a classified information leak, you honestly have no idea what the NSA does.

which is how they like it.

4/14/2009 8:25 PM

Blogger Mike Mulligan said...

“Know your enemy, my friends...and in this particular case, it is ignorance, youth and poverty.” I like that one.

Somebody spoke about ethics and morality being situational...moral relativism, sounds like a bunch of liberals who are submariners. So you got one group of humans with a conscience and then another group of sub humans in the world.

I once worked with a guy who had a 152 IQ. He had one of the most responsible jobs you can imagine. Bet you he was making about 100k a year. I spent years playing pitch with him in a group of guys. He was sexually abusing a 4 year old little girl at the time, he was charged in court with it and it was cycling through the courts for years. He had a girlfriend and her 15 year old daughter living with him. Seems he was dittling with the fifteen year, she was preparing to disclose, where he killed both of them in order not to spend big time in jail.
So what is his excuse for being evil.

Seems sombody is making entries for me now.

4/14/2009 8:28 PM

Anonymous Mike Mulligan said...

By the way. I'm a flaming idiot.

4/14/2009 8:32 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

And before any of you guys get the wrong impression, the guy with the 152 IQ is not me. I swear!

I did my time in prison and I can tell you I didn't like it - much. I am still sore with inverted hemroids, have scars from bite marks on the back on my neck and big guys scare me.

Stop making entries for me or else!

4/14/2009 8:42 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry that was me.


4/14/2009 8:45 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mikey Mulligan, this is your former cellmate, Big Bubba. How could you say such things in public? Last night, you said you loved me and we'd be together for the rest of our lives.

I've scheduled a couples counseling session for us tomorrow morning at 11am. Just remember to wear a turtleneck to hide all the bruises and bite marks around the back of your neck and carotid artery. We'll get you a soft pillow to sit on as well.

Just keep in mind sweety, I'm doing everything I can to make this relationship work in a positve way.

Love you Mikey,

Big Bubba

4/15/2009 12:07 AM

Blogger mynameismax said...

I like submarines. my dadd told me they r long and hard and full of seemen and he laufs when he says it too. i also like pirates did you know that theyr is a day when you can talk like a pirate. nice blog. I have a blog to. hello. bye see you later.

4/15/2009 5:26 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mikey, incest???? Leace your sister alone.

"...or a 16 year-old girl was ripe for marriage and starting a family."

When did that stop being the norm? I really love my sister!

mike mulligan"

4/14/2009 7:39 PM

4/15/2009 10:59 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nothing like a good NUB-bashing. this whole sniper/pirate thing, to me, runs along the lines of the Impeccable incident in the SCS a few weeks ago. and now a quote from an earlier post:

free the nucs:

"The fact that you still have no clue what "silent service" means inclines me towards the latter; I've never met a submariner in real life who was okay with the Clancy-esque "declassifying" of the info that keeps us safe.

4/13/2009 6:59 PM

and i completely agree. BUT, not everyone's going to see things the same way. to me, it just looks like controlling the release of information to sway people. in other words, propaganda and mind control.

4/16/2009 2:39 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a former FTG (they took our "guns" designation back around 93 or so.) So to phw, deck guns? hell yes bring em back but they probably would'nt work so well on SSN's/SSGN's which do most of "Gods Work" at PD. I've always thought we should get rid of one of our archaic radio masts and put a box of sea-stingers up there for surface to air, surface to surface stuff. Could work well. To OldCOB, well said! A great big BZ to the SEALS involved! Pirates should be dealt with. one way or the other. Shot if necessary, Hanged if possible. And as a former crewmember of SSGN 726, the rail gun idea is not as looney-tuneish as you'd think, but then agai thats part of the reason we carried the seals in the first place, to deal with things that a Tomahawk or a 48 were a little much for. To Bubblehead: great blog! I'll visit often now that I found you.
FTC(SS) Almost-retired

4/16/2009 7:33 PM

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