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Friday, January 28, 2011

Navy Uniform Updates

Here's a story on the new Navy uniform message (NAVADMIN 025/11). In addition to authorizing cutlasses for Chiefs, it finally allows Sailors to wear "portable electronic devices" on their belts. This is a long-overdue change, and by "long overdue" I mean that it's kind of OBE since most PEDs fit in your shirt pocket nowadays. Unless, of course, there are Pentagon staffers who want to run around with an iPad strapped to their waist. Luckily, the message still prohibits the use of the Borg-looking Bluetooth earwigs when indoors. I have an unreasonable dislike of those things, wondering why the person thinks they're so important that they have to save that extra second to answer the phone, apparently an urgent call from the President. Plus, they look demented when they're just standing in the middle of a room talking when there's no one around.


Blogger Don the Baptist said...

Hear, hear to the earwigs. I can remember when Zumwalt allowed the wearing of dungarees from home to duty station and back. THAT was a big deal.

1/28/2011 9:06 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm about to go back to sea on a boat in Groton. So a question:

- What's the uniform on the ships during normal in-port workdays? Are they wearing aquaflage or poopie suits?

- What about underway? Still poopie suits?

- And if it's still poopie suits, do you have to have all the sown on devices, etc... or is it back to the old days of "organizational clothing" where some guys would just use pin-on devices?


1/28/2011 9:15 AM

Blogger tennvol said...

So all those days carrying a pager as CDO at SWFLANT, I was out of uniform?

1/28/2011 9:36 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I couldn't stand the earwig thing when I was given one with my work phone. Worse than the people talking to seemingly no one are the people who aren't even on a call and feel like they must wear it anyway, like it's some sort of status jewelry. I blame Ohura.


1/28/2011 9:58 AM

Anonymous Bogey Hogan said...

"aquaflage" Laughing my fucking ass off.

1/28/2011 10:05 AM

Anonymous Bogey Hogan said...

Should the earwig go on the same, or opposite, ear as the earring?

1/28/2011 10:07 AM

Anonymous rusty700 said...

To anonymous:
Poopie suits are still an official Navy uniform but are for underway use only as of Jan 1. The NWU is the regular in port uniform.

For us here in the PACNORWEST you may be aware that this is the second time the Navy has authorized cell phone's on belts and walking and talking. As with last time I am now breathlessly waiting for the message from Navy Region Northwest that states we will continue to follow the old rules in region.
For the life of me I can't understand why this region continues to hold this ridiculous standard. We have had cell phones for 30 years now, get over it and move on.

1/28/2011 2:15 PM

Anonymous MentalJim said...

If you cannot drink a beverage while walking why should you be able to talk on the phone? I think there shouldn't be crap strapped on to a person in uniform. Of course, I laugh at anyone who wears a phone on their belt in or out of uniform, and I am no longer active duty so my opinion doesn't count.

1/28/2011 2:37 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those earwigs bug the heck out of me. They look horrible and everyone things you are a schizophrenic talking to yourself. I'm glad those are banned in uniform, because they make the wearer look like a tool.

BTW, the image of a Pentagon staffer with an ipad strapped to them made me LOL. thanks!

1/28/2011 3:13 PM

Blogger Ret ANAV said...

Rusty700: "As with last time I am now breathlessly waiting for the message from Navy Region Northwest that states we will continue to follow the old rules in region."

Waiting for the same in Mayport. Buried in that message is always the unwritten phrase from NAVREG: "I know the new rules say you can, but *I* say you CAN'T! Why? Because I CAN.

Oh, and I also think earwigs are retarded. I call them SSBN Warfare Devices. :)

1/28/2011 3:54 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...


Couldn't help but chuckle when I read this. It also confirms that the Chief of Naval Personnel is infact, a nub!

1/28/2011 4:23 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, and I also think earwigs are retarded. I call them SSBN Warfare Devices. :)

Why don't you shove it up your ass and it can be an SSN Warfare Device.

1/28/2011 6:43 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I'm about to go back to sea on a boat in Groton. So a question:

- What's the uniform on the ships during normal in-port workdays? Are they wearing aquaflage or poopie suits?

- What about underway? Still poopie suits?

- And if it's still poopie suits, do you have to have all the sown on devices, etc... or is it back to the old days of "organizational clothing" where some guys would just use pin-on devices?



Wow! Reading those questions, it looks like you have been on shore duty for WAY TOO LONG!

Poopie suit requirements came out years ago (2003-2004?).

1/28/2011 7:12 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Earwigs are authorized in uniform...if you are a detailer!

1/28/2011 9:02 PM

Anonymous mt1WidgetHead said...

I just changed over to an LG Optimus. It's flat enough you can keep it in a pocket regardless if you're wearing black & tans or NWUs. No one can see it, so there is no uniform violation. As for poop suits while underway, it won't matter. If your phone has a camera on it you'll be storing it till you get home.

As for earwigs, yeah they look stupid as hell. Am i supposed to walk across the base from point A to B with one of those things in my ear? Ummm Nope...I don't think so either. Joel is correct, one looks like a demented dipshit doing that. You can text me, E mail me or call me...but this new earwig crap has to go.

1/29/2011 2:02 AM

Anonymous NHSparky said...

So if you COULD wear an iPad strapped to your ass, would they start calling you Yeoman Rand?

Don't lie, people--she was hawt back in the day.

1/29/2011 5:31 AM

Anonymous ShoreJO said...

Imagine if we could go 6 months without a change to the uniform standards

1/29/2011 6:04 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

@shorejo...well how would the desk jockeys prove how valuable they are otherwise...

1/29/2011 10:11 AM

Anonymous NHSparky said...

mentaljim--not just that, but the distractions because of yapping on a cell phone while walking, etc. Hell, you saw the YouTube vid of the woman walking into a FOUNTAIN while she was on the cell, yes? And given all the security requirements with cell phones, how long until they just say none on the waterfront, period?

1/29/2011 12:57 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Concerning cell phones:

If a Sailor has enough time while in uniform to be walking around and talking on a cell phone, then he or she is not busy enough. The Chief's need to get control of this.

If you got time to lean, you've got time to clean!

1/29/2011 4:40 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon @ 4:40, what a dbag comment

1/29/2011 5:29 PM

Anonymous mohamed said...

Now that's funny, I don't care who you are...

1/29/2011 5:51 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm the guy from earlier who's going back to sea soon (shore duty since 2008!). Question still remains for GROTON:

Does everyone wear aquaflage NWU in port? What about officers and Chiefs? Even in the summer?

Underway does everyone shift to poopie suits? And if so, have the standards relaxed again or does everyone wear official navy coveralls?

Anything else I should know about what Groton is like these days? I've never been stationed there except for sub school.


1/30/2011 5:24 AM

Blogger Harold said...

AS far as things on belts go, at one time there were bright yellow square shaped TLD's. I remember a training session at SSC San Diego, and one our deack seamen was stopped by a skimmer PO who started chewing him out for an unaurorized yellow thing on his belt...

He stood there dumbfounded after the seaman talked back at him and described him in some colorful terms as an first class idiot and walked away. We all laughed.

1/30/2011 9:34 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Groton bound Sailor: recommend contacting your sponsor or squadron for the latest info. I imagine Groton is no different from the rest of the Navy in wearing prescribed uniforms.

1/30/2011 9:42 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ anon 5:24
Just about everyone wears aquaflage, some shore commands still wear nsu.
yes, you will wear a poopie suit underway, unless you are in the rack, still not authorized there.
additional things to know: bring a snow shovel.

1/30/2011 4:17 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

thank you 417!!! anon

1/30/2011 5:08 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where is the Navy's relevance? Is this their most pressing issue...cell phones, the CPO cutlass? I guess it is more important than their previous crisis...XO movie night!

1/30/2011 6:09 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Groton Bound,
The most recent change to the uniform standards in Grotn you should be aware of is the additional authorization of snow shoes. They must be black or neutral colored, conservative, non-faddish like the cell phones. Too bad I just bought a bedazzler for tricking out my case!

1/30/2011 6:41 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Groton bound sailor:

Everybody, officers & chiefs included, wears aquaflage on the waterfront. It may vary boat to boat exactly when the shift to poopie suits is, but we do it as soon as we secure the maneuvering watch (with some exceptions, the guys in the bridge generally always wear poopies and such). The poopies are the official navy ones, with sewn on nametapes and rank and such.

1/31/2011 5:24 AM

Anonymous NHSparky said...

bring a snow shovel.
Bring a couple--and driveway melt. And a snowthrower.

And pray June comes quickly. Trust me, I've seen the reports for Wednesday. I'm right in the middle of that "heaviest" band. Whee.

1/31/2011 5:43 AM

Blogger Rudder Amidships said...

Also, info for the masses. If you are stationed in Navy Region Hawaii, walking and talking with cell phones is not authorized. Earpieces are only authorized in vehicles. PEDs are only authorized here if command issued. This is per COMNAVREGHIINST 1020.2M (10 MAY 10)

1/31/2011 1:48 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon @ 6:09 PM
"I guess it is more important than their previous crisis...XO movie night!"

You have little idea how many ramifications for change in submarine culture you have just brushed.

Rarely have sub crews had to deal with flicks approved for the both genders (Tiger cruises excepted).
Movies favored by males are rarely enjoyed by females, so carriers have their share of "romance comedies".

When was the last time most guys even thought romance comedies were entertaining, much less humorous?

"Where is the Navy's relevance?"

That should be fairly obvious. Submarines are platforms for political correctness.

Following the civilian social agenda, can you guess what comes next?

The mildly disabled should prove very interesting. What arguments can be used against them that were not defeated by the introduction of women?

Many disabled people can certainly pass escape training. Many are also at least as physically fit and as mentally astute as other sailors.

1/31/2011 1:51 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Following the civilian social agenda, can you guess what comes next?

Well, as soon as the repeal of DADT is fully implemented by that effeminate Mullen, anything goes - literally. Arguments to allow meat gazing homos openly on boats will eliminate the main argument to prevent women from serving on real fast boats - berthing. If a meat gazer can bunk with hetero dudes, why can't chicks?

Silly faggots, dicks are for chix.

1/31/2011 2:38 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is some funny stuff. We get to wear our cell phones now?? Really?? So I can wear it from my car to the front door and back since I will be told to take it back to my car because it can be tapped and most of us work in classified areas or buildings. Good job Navy! To top it off I get to wear the Cutlass now! YEAH! I'll bet it will be resonably priced now that the "official" cutlass will have all those special engravings that will double the price. It makes me proud to know that while our country struggles thru a hard time, the brass can truly tackle the "important" issues.

1/31/2011 7:48 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of the XO, looks like he will try to take a people with him. Of course, those that ar pure as the driven snow will deny, deny, deny.

Good for him!

1/31/2011 8:07 PM

Anonymous T said...

I'm just waiting for the first Tranny Officer:

I challenge you to name one reason why somebody in some varying state of sexual change would not be allowed to be a submarine officer? They are either gay, a woman, or somewhere in between. All the bases are covered!

On a serious note, does anybody know if anybody in Big Navy has even thought about this, or how to possibly address it? I think the answer is probably, no, but I could definitely use the laugh if so.

1/31/2011 8:17 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

And the officer corps would be different from now how?

We had an STS2 (always sonar) who in the last few months of his enlistment started growing his breasts out. He was preparing for his transformation or whatever you call it.

Anyway, it was common knowledge on the boat, even the XO made a few comments one midwatch when we were piloting in and the STS2 was the fathometer watch.

He was a little upset when I, as the DCPO, told him take off his pink wristband for "the cure" while he was the BDW. However, later while reviewing his logs, I complimented him on his figure (some nice 13 year old bumps starting) and all was forgiven.

Ahhh, life in the submarine force!

Retired ANAV

1/31/2011 8:35 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

T said...

I'm just waiting for the first Tranny Officer:

Where in the hell do we put him/her? Berthing is going to be an absolute bitch to figure out when all this starts up.

1/31/2011 10:25 PM

Anonymous sts2 (ss) said...

Hold on there Anon 8:35, as an STS2 I was growing my tits while on the stacks long before my last patrol.

1/31/2011 10:54 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Glad to see Capt Honors sticking it to the least someone is taking on the pc, self righteous bastards...

1/31/2011 10:58 PM

Anonymous her_dickness said...

here here. now drink up or pass me the bottle. you pansy ass

1/31/2011 11:57 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's true. He's like a Capt Kirk for the new Millennium. I just read Capt Honor's Fitreps for the period in question and his own personal statement. He doesn't deserve to be fucked and have his career derailed. This whole thing is going to get much nastier before it gets better.

1/31/2011 11:58 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"silly faggots, dicks are for chix:

HAHAHA, I just spit out my morning fruit loops

2/01/2011 5:31 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

He deserves everything he gets. Any XO, CO or RADM involved in such behavior (or looking the other way) should be summarily cashiered with him.

Crap like that may be ok for the blueshirts but it's not ok for leadership. It's the f'ing NAV, not frat boy party time.

If you can't act like a leader when you get your gold braid (or anchors), go Civlant or Civpac.

A newly minted PO3 should've known better...

2/01/2011 7:54 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...


I love it!

2/01/2011 9:39 AM

Blogger Below Decks Watch said...

"If I catch any of you guys in my stuff, I'll kill you. Also, I don't like nobody touching me. Now, any of you homos touch me, and I'll kill you."

""Allowing gays to serve openly in the Army is a long overdue reform, but it must be accompanied by an assurance that heterosexuals will be able to serve openly in the Navy."

2/01/2011 10:51 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will aquaflage be available in pink? We must be inclusive....

2/01/2011 10:59 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"If you can't act like a leader when you get your gold braid (or anchors), go Civlant or Civpac."

I have to be the bearer of bad news, but the tolerance for this stuff is probably actually lower in Civlant...

2/01/2011 10:16 PM

Blogger MT1(SS)WidgetHead said...

Now Now...Mister,

You must remember we're playing a political game nowadays. One must be careful both in tone and in choice of words.

2/03/2011 1:01 AM

Blogger MT1(SS)WidgetHead said...

And trust me, I didn't suggest that was a good thing or a strength either.

2/03/2011 1:05 AM

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