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Sunday, July 28, 2013

"Burn A Flick"

IMHO, two of the most important things affecting crew morale happened in Crew's Mess. Everyone knows that the quality of food is a very important indicator of crew happiness, but I always thought that how a submarine handled movies was an excellent indicator of how "together" they were. I would imagine that, with portable electronic devices available to the crew that allows them to watch movies or play games in their rack, this would be less important nowadays, but back in the day, it was very meaningful.

How a boat chose which movie to watch said a lot about them, but what happened after the movie was chosen was most telling. I believe that the most successful boats would do a rotation -- usually by division -- with breaks in the schedule when someone earned their fish, wherein the newest Submariner would choose. The most important part, however, would be how the crew reacted if an unpopular movie was selected. The best and most cohesive crews would respect their shipmate enough to sit through the movie; if the movie was a stinker, they'd give the picker the appropriate level of abuse, but they'd at least give the guy a chance. How did your boat handle movie time?



(Also, re: movies, I liked the midwatch game wherein people would have to choose which from a group of two movies they liked best, or disliked least. You could learn a lot about someone that way. My personal favorite for dividing the world, back in the day, was the "Body Double" vs. "Body Heat" question.)

48 Comments:

Blogger Curt said...

No discusseion would be complete without a discussion of how the 'movie crowd' treats the 'Non-Qual.' I suspect 'hazing' is mentioned most in today's rules, but, but who gets to watch, etc. says a lot about the boat's culture.

Back in the day, on TAUTOG, "No Fish" = "No Flick."

7/28/2013 11:46 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In 1978 while I was qualifying on 610(G), I was not allowed to make a coffee run for control because I was not yet qualified. I had to relieve a (SS) qualified helm/planes sp they could do it.....and screw around for 20 minutes or so.

7/28/2013 12:35 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In 1980, while qualifying on 660, rule was you couldn't watch a flick unless you were 20% ahead of the qual curve. Spent a lot of time at 19%.

7/28/2013 12:51 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

USS Skate WestPac in the early 1980s: "Van Nuys Boulevard" played after evening meal almost very night(once it was discovered). It also played on the midwatch almost every night. Even the Wierdroom watched it every change they got.

Not sure that movie had a plot, but it was packed with T&A.

7/28/2013 1:12 PM

 
Blogger Publius said...

Body Double and Body Heat. That's a no lose deal there.

7/28/2013 2:08 PM

 
Blogger Publius said...

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7/28/2013 2:09 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hitter of all hunter flicks "Laser Blast"

7/28/2013 3:06 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In my 27 years there were a lot of changes as far as watching a flick! Before CD's/Betas we (the whole enlisted crew) prepared for the flick. The Chiefs would ramrod the crew in helping the messcooks clean crews mess someone would be in charge rewinding the 16mm film and of course one the the chiefs would start making popcorn. In my later years the social aspects changed! Now the chiefs watch the flick in the chiefs quarters and the crew was not as involved getting the mess decks cleaned prior to the COW giving permission to burn the flick!

7/28/2013 4:31 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The picture is actually not of a flick, but of the crew of Ohio (SSGN-726) Blue watching the first quarter of the super bowl from PD via GBS. I say the first quarter, because we lost the signal sometime in the second, and never got it back. Fun while it lasted...BNH

7/28/2013 7:56 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Med run '86, it was a tossup between Lair of the White Worm, To live and die in LA, and Highlander. Had to be on the POD as a hot runner otherwise you weren't allowed on the mess decks. The cook had to tell the COW the mess decks was clean. We'd just gotten the new betamax install and it was kick@ss.



hagar

7/28/2013 10:08 PM

 
Blogger KellyJ said...

As a non-qual, all I wanted to do was be able to watch a flick.
Once I got my fish all I wanted to do was hit the bunk.

The grass is always greener over the septic tank.

7/28/2013 11:41 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On ssn-687 1981-1982 anyone could watch a flick unless they were dink.

7/29/2013 4:55 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For most of my time, the only guys not allowed to burn the flick were the dinks. But I don't think we ever had a deal where the newly qualified guy got to pick the flick - with one exception.
When we were doing summer midshipman cruises, the last 2 checkouts on their pretend qual cards were to "Select a Movie" and "Operate the ship's entertainment system"

7/29/2013 8:18 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We had a divisional rotation on who picked the movie.

I never want to see Wyatt Earp or Tombstone ever again.

7/29/2013 6:30 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In 70's and 80's on three boomers and two fast boats both coasts XO made choice in the POD for evening movie, midnight movie, dolphin wearers only choice was made by consensus, especially if there was T&A. When I got my fish I got to pick the midnight flick, chose the "Night of the Iguana" because a couple of nukes told me about flesh in the third reel...

When testing on Seawolf class boats a decade ago, no movie night, kids were playing video games all day and night on the big screen in the mess decks, most of crew had personal DVD players they used in the rack.

7/29/2013 7:09 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember the first movie I watched underway after getting my Fish.

Gray Lady Down

Had me thinking of a job change.

7/29/2013 10:30 PM

 
Anonymous SparkyWT said...

I brought a copy of the 1976 flick "The Warriors" on patrol. We burned it one night with half the watch section hating it and half liking it; evenly divided fore/aft. Although it was pretty funny for the next week or so, someone would get up during a drill, field day, or chow and yell "can you dig it!" for no apparent reason.

7/30/2013 9:26 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When "The Warriors" first came out, it was banned from playing in many cities (e.g., San Francisco) due to gang brawls outside of theaters immediately after the showings.

It also wasn't shown much (or at all) on network television for years. However, I've seen it on cable several times in 2013.

Riffs! Yeah, right!

7/30/2013 3:30 PM

 
Anonymous Weird Room said...

A Zipper Head submarine blogger speaking as if he has a clue about movie protocol on the Mess Decks.

7/30/2013 9:01 PM

 
Anonymous Weird Room said...

And to add to that, it still boils my blood thinking about you pansy assed privileged assholes being served by enlisted men as if they were your personal fucking waiters.

7/30/2013 9:08 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did a list and stuck by it. The sleeper was "Fame", the story of a high school for young aspiring actors. Stupid movie ran three times in the wardroom and 5 times in the crews mess.

7/30/2013 9:29 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And to add to that, it still boils my blood thinking about you pansy assed privileged assholes being served by enlisted men as if they were your personal fucking waiters."

Choose your rate, choose your fate. If you were on a skimmer, the CS'es would be scooping your food, too.

Personally, not a fan of it--it's stuffy and takes too goddamn long. Would much rather they just put out the pans and we just grab our own stuff. But it is what it is.

7/30/2013 9:53 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On the Key, it was pretty much the FTB/TM/MTs that controlled what was watched. I rarely watched anything with them, like a lot of the other nukes I'd rather be working out or reading/listening to music instead of watching Roadhouse for the 30th time.

On the Bates, I never even paid attention and wasn't on it long enough to care I guess.

7/31/2013 7:41 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joel (Bubblehead) is ex-enlisted, so as far as I'm concerned he can say whatever he wants about enlisted life. It also just happens to be his blog...so go on and have a double-scoop of hot steaming STFU if you think you're in a position to tell him what to do here.

When it comes to military protocols and what you like and don't like, go write a letter to your Congressman. And be sure to keep us all posted.

7/31/2013 9:13 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On the NYC we had a guy wyho always wanted to watch Encino Man. He was always shouted down. A TM always wanted to watch Tremors because he liked Reba and guns. TRemors always won.

7/31/2013 10:09 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As an O-Ganger, I actually liked meals when the Wardroom was occupied by inspection teams. Much faster and easier on everyone.

7/31/2013 2:44 PM

 
Anonymous HalfEmpty said...

Related to the picture but mostly OT.
Who/how is what is laminated on the mess tables decided?

Looking thru old pictures I've seen boat schematics, checker/chess boards unreadable lists etc. in this picture I note an American flag a Browns(?) NFL logo, a unit patch of some sort. Can anything be made of this crew-wise?

8/01/2013 4:13 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On my first two boats, non-quals (both SS and departmental) were allowed movies only if they were ahead on quals AND their sea dad sponsored them during a flick. On my third boat, I took away a dinq's laptop because we caught him watching flicks and gaming in his rack. Tape/CD/MP3 players were allowed regardless. Personally, I always had trouble sitting through an entire flick. I picked one out on a Sunday morning, post-midwatch in the Crew's Lounge. The Thin Red Line. I was pretty much banned from ever picking again.

8/01/2013 10:00 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So which boat has the pregnant JO? The rumor mill is in overdrive...

8/01/2013 5:33 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

^^^ If true, I wonder how much that little bundle of joy and her momma are going to cost the taxpayers...?

Yeah, those skimmers sure schooled us on how to run things. Being the bunch of geniuses those guys are, I guess we should've followed Big Navy on putting young women inside of 200' steel tubes with 10x the number of young men a long time ago. All those wasted years...shucks and b'golly.

8/01/2013 10:01 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Back in the "Movie" days, 1 movie per u/w day to a max of 30, picked movies for a tiger cruise - then went to sea without tiger.

Airplane won out over Snow White. Actually wore the sprockets out so it started slipping a bit.

Also had the T&A real that got bigger as the other movies got smaller.


In the "Beta Days" "Room with a View" was accepted as movie because there was a nude scene. Kept waiting for scene - "It's coming up in a minute" - scene finally arrived. That individual never allowed to pick movie again.

8/02/2013 12:38 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is the job of roving watchstanders (Aux or AEF) to poll the watch section and get a consensus on the movie. There is much give and take but luckily the roving watch has nothing better to do. 5 hours and 45 minutes to do the important tasks and 15 minutes to catch up the logs!

8/02/2013 2:57 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How's about "Prince of the City" as the midwatch choice by me. Nobody wanted to watch it.

8/04/2013 2:08 AM

 
Blogger Curt said...

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8/04/2013 8:16 AM

 
Blogger Curt said...

Well, I don't know what the line in Vegas is, but Debbie Does ?

8/04/2013 8:18 AM

 
Blogger Ross Kline said...

My first boat, we wore out "Lethal Weapon", but had several groups that, by then, had the script memorized. On bad days, Mel Gibson would go falsetto, or Glover would sound like a very bad hillbilly, or...you get the drift.

Last boat, an "A" ganger and I watched "Rocky Horror". Started out with an empty mess decks ("You're watching WHAT?"), and there wasn't a seat left at the end.

8/04/2013 5:43 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As an Aganger, I didn’t watch too many flicks. If it was a choice between a movie and the rack, the rack won.
As a non-qual, I was able to watch one movie because I was ahead in quals. Phantom of the Paradise was the movie but I had to stand in the back and act as waiter to all the qualified folk.
WestPac of 79 brought out “Fantastic Planet”. It was watched so often that once they turned down the volume and put on Pink Floyds “Dark Side Of the Moon” as a sound track.
Two movies that I did see underway that I never want to see again were “Graylady Down” and “The Deer Hunter”. I’ve not watched them since.

That Damn Good Looking Aganger From Iowa

8/04/2013 10:46 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gia.
Starts out great, fantastic T&A, but ends with you wanting to stab yourself in the carotid with a scribe.

Watch the first half (Angelina Jolie naked, gratuitous sex, a nice lesbo scene), then run away fast. Do not stop to watch any longer than the first 45-50 minutes or you will regret it.

8/05/2013 10:14 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Early 80's boomer here. That picture makes the mess deck overhead look so... high. And a flatscreen? You boys are being robbed. In my day, it was 16mm features (with an anamorphic projector lens for true wide-screen), plus the rec fund would tape HBO movies for the TV set below in the library. Best movie ever: "Car Crash" with Joey Travolta (watching this earned you a "Hackers Card.")

8/06/2013 2:09 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Early 80's boomer here. That picture makes the mess deck overhead look so... high. And a flatscreen? You boys are being robbed. In my day, it was 16mm features (with an anamorphic projector lens for true wide-screen), plus the rec fund would tape HBO movies for the TV set below in the library. Best movie ever: "Car Crash" with Joey Travolta (watching this earned you a "Hackers Card.")

8/06/2013 2:09 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Early 80's boomer here. That picture makes the mess deck overhead look so... high. And a flatscreen? You boys are being robbed. In my day, it was 16mm features (with an anamorphic projector lens for true wide-screen), plus the rec fund would tape HBO movies for the TV set below in the library. Best movie ever: "Car Crash" with Joey Travolta (watching this earned you a "Hackers Card.")

8/06/2013 2:11 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Early 80's boomer here. That picture makes the mess deck overhead look so... high. And a flatscreen? You boys are being robbed. In my day, it was 16mm features (with an anamorphic projector lens for true wide-screen), plus the rec fund would tape HBO movies for the TV set below in the library. Best movie ever: "Car Crash" with Joey Travolta (watching this earned you a "Hackers Card.")

8/06/2013 2:11 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Early 80's boomer here. That picture makes the mess deck overhead look so... high. And a flatscreen? You boys are being robbed. In my day, it was 16mm features (with an anamorphic projector lens for true wide-screen), plus the rec fund would tape HBO movies for the TV set below in the library. Best movie ever: "Car Crash" with Joey Travolta (watching this earned you a "Hackers Card.")

8/06/2013 2:12 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Five Time Post - A Record?

8/06/2013 8:03 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Monty python the holy grail. It was funny watching the reaction at the end. On my last boat 90% of the guys just sat and waited. I got up and started laughing, on my way to rhe rack.

8/06/2013 12:06 PM

 
Anonymous Almost sorry said...

Early 80's boomer here. That picture makes the mess deck overhead look so... high. And a flatscreen? You boys are being robbed. In my day, it was 16mm features (with an anamorphic projector lens for true wide-screen), plus the rec fund would tape HBO movies for the TV set below in the library. Best movie ever: "Car Crash" with Joey Travolta (watching this earned you a "Hackers Card.")

(Almost sorry for re-posting this yet again. But I wanted the record so badly.)

8/06/2013 3:42 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While on 728B in 86 I still remember watching movies on reels. Best day ever was when somebody found a case of TV shows in one of the ventilation rooms. We watched Cheers re-runs almost the entire patrol.... NORM,,,,,

8/16/2013 5:07 AM

 
Anonymous Randell said...

Cool!

8/26/2013 2:13 AM

 

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