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Monday, September 08, 2008

Excellent LANTFLT Training Opportunity!

It seems like everyone is saying that U.S.-Russian relations are going downhill since their invasion of Georgia, and that's undoubtedly true. An example of the deteriorating relations was the cancellation of the FRUKUS combined naval exercises in the Pacific last month.

Now, it appears the Russians are making unilateral moves to re-establish good ties. At their own expense, they're sending two skimmers (plus auxiliaries) all the way down to the Caribbean in November:
Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Andrei Nesterenko said on Monday that the naval mission to Venezuela would include the nuclear-powered battle cruiser "Peter the Great", one of the world's largest combat warships.
Moscow's most modern destroyer, the "Admiral Chabanenko", will also steam to the Caribbean, along with other ships, including a fuel tanker, he added.
What an excellent training opportunity for our Atlantic Fleet! We'll be able to shadow two of Russia's most "capable" and "newest" (only about 13 years old!) warships without having to steam several thousand miles. A Kirov-class cruiser and a Udaloy-class destroyer are hard enough to find out at sea separately -- getting a chance to track both of them together will provide some of the best training the 2nd Fleet has gotten in quite a while. Thanks in advance, Russian Navy!


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of course this works both ways!

The Russian boats presumably would view this is an opportuinity to use their skimmers as bait to get some interesting targets too.

Soe everybody wins.

9/08/2008 5:06 PM

Blogger midwatchcowboy said...

I say send them some periscope pictures!

9/08/2008 5:16 PM

Blogger Pat said...

They have got to know that the US Navy will make a field day (not cleaning all day) out of this. I hope to see the pics myself! It does suck however that we seem to be spiraling back into this cold war mentality with them. Not sure why the Russians have this "bad guy" complex...... Of course, they probably say the same about us. I read an article earlier about how Medvedwhatchamahoosy (in response to US aid to Georgia) said "Iwonder how they would take it if we sent relief to the Hurricane torn torn Islands." This guy has got to be off his block, how would we in any way take offense to that? If anything we would think that finally the Russians are stepping up and doing something for the good of the rest of the world and not being such selfish pricks........ Just my $00.02

9/08/2008 5:58 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is 4th Fleet now (under SOUTHCOM).

9/08/2008 6:17 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just a guess, but I believe the Russians will also send an amphib, a water tanker and maybe another aux of some kind. Its not far fetched to guess that one of their fast attacks might play. The news also reported something about "long-range ASW aircraft" so Im guessing TU-142 Bear F's.


9/08/2008 6:57 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Send 'em down; the swabs will love the climate. Just as long as the RS CGN (nuclear whatever) doesn't screw up fishing / shrimping in the FL straits for a thousand years.

Damned glad I'm retired from VP and/or MOCCs in Jax; just wish I could get back to Maquetia VE for some Pampero Anneversario rum.

Long live the people of Venezuela; screw Hugo.

9/08/2008 7:01 PM

Blogger Wayfaring Man said...

Our submariners should be able to run a lot of nice drills and the 4th Fleet, if it is up & running now, can join in the fun too. That is until the Ruskis run out of coal and have to switch the the less efficient whale oil.

But after nine years getting the rust scraped off, Ivan should be in fine fettle.

9/08/2008 7:45 PM

Blogger russiannavyblog said...

I say send them some periscope pictures!

Somebody's been there and done that.

Looks kind of fake to me though.

9/08/2008 9:10 PM

Blogger Rubber Ducky said...

Wow. Tracking a skimmer. That's right up there with watching cement harden. If any submariners think this a 'training opportunity,' I'd say ... get a life.

Can't help wondering if the blood in our current submarine force is so thin, so tied up with boiling water, so absent of warrior experience that it really thinks this offers anything meaningful in the way of useful training. Wow.

9/09/2008 5:14 AM

Blogger Lubber's Line said...

Just a thought, but there may be some much needed ASW training is store as well. Ahhh, the good old bad old days.

“On October 31, 1983, USS McCloy snagged K-324[1] with her towed array 282 miles west of Bermuda, causing damage to the submarine's propeller. The submarine was towed to Cienfuegos, Cuba for repairs by a Soviet salvage ship beginning on November 5.”

Maintaining “Ultra Quiet” - LL

9/09/2008 5:30 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Soviet Union did the same thing in '78. That time they did not give us a head's up. They were about 175 miles off the coast of South Carolina when a fishing boat notified the Coast Guard. The soviet group was unimpressive the two krivaks a Foxtrot that could not dive and an oiler.
The only thing exciting was when my team had to transfer to another ship by helicopter. It was the most boring SpecOp I've been on.

9/09/2008 6:47 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Can't help wondering if the blood in our current submarine force is so thin, so tied up with boiling water, so absent of warrior experience that it really thinks this offers anything meaningful in the way of useful training."

I'm confused by this comment. Of course tracking these guys can't be good training, we wouldn't be able to run any casualty drills. (Well maybe we could still do some walkthoughs)

-Every ENG I ever had.

9/09/2008 10:22 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, it would get in the way of ORSE preps for sure. I'm sure the ENGs, XOs, and COs out there can come up with a way to train 25 hours a day so the boat can both do some tracking practice and excel on their next inspection. No need for sleep!

Oh, and make sure the training binders all look good.

9/09/2008 4:16 PM

Blogger Pat said...

Well, they sent the ships to sea along with two support vessels (One of which is a tug, ROFLMAO!). I hope to god one breaks down, that would be classic!

9/24/2008 3:10 PM


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