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Wednesday, June 03, 2009

NNPTC Tragedy

From a May 30 story in the Charleston Post and Courier:
A sailor who worked at the Naval Weapons Station died Saturday morning, just hours after he was shot at a Berkeley County apartment.
Branden Michael Pease, 20, was at a friend’s home in the Ladson area around 10:30 Friday night when the shooting occurred, according to the Berkeley County Sheriff’s Office.
Pease was taken to Trident Hospital, where he died around 3:15 a.m. Saturday.
Deputies on the scene arrested one of Pease’s co-workers, Darell William Sohm, 22. His address is listed at Ashley Town Center Drive.
Sohm, also a sailor assigned to the Weapons Station, has been charged with involuntary manslaughter. He is being held at the Hill-Finklea Detention Center while he waits for a bond hearing.
Comments in the next day's follow-on article, along with their ages, make it clear that the Sailors involved in the tragedy were students at the Navy Nuclear Power Training Command at the Naval Weapons Station in Goose Creek, SC. That article had this additional piece of information:
Rhoad said it appears "a bunch of people" were at the scene and that apparently "everybody was drinking" when the shot was fired. He said it's possible the gun discharged accidentally while being handled, but many questions remain unanswered.
The comments for the last story consist of a lot of people providing anecdotal evidence that Navy "Nukes" are all wild and out of control, and others providing evidence that not all "Nukes" are dangerous idiots. I can't tell whether these are Nuke School or Prototype students; the party being on a Friday night suggests it could be either (since the end of Day Shift or T-Week occurs on a Friday for the NPTU students; if it was a Tuesday night, we could have safely assumed it was an "LDS" [Last Day of Swings] party by Prototypers). For anyone who knows: Are non-married students in either school allowed to live away from the barracks?

When I started Nuke School as an ET3 fresh out of "A" School in 1984, our Class Director told us that enlisted Nukes share two characteristics: We were smart, and we were lazy. The typical Nuke back in the 80s seemed to me to be a smart guy who had either run out of money for college, or had gotten distracted from going by girls and/or other fun things (I was the 2nd type). The group I hung out with (Section 14 geeks, for those of you who remember such things) generally partied pretty hard, getting drunk several nights a week. When I went to Prototype in Idaho, we drank during most days off and did stupid things involving playing football in the middle of the road. What I'm saying is that Nuke students drinking hard isn't anything new. While this tragedy will (rightly) cause significant restrictions to be put on the students in Charleston for quite a while, I'd say to people who claim that Navy Nukes are "out of control" that they really don't behave any differently than any other group of similarly-aged young people with similar amounts of time off and discretionary income. They're just held to a higher standard -- as well they should be, because of the responsibilities they'll have in a few months.

Update 1306 03 Jun: Both Sailors involved had MySpace pages; Pease's is here, Sohm's is here.

56 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

How terribly sad that this young man's life was cut short.

Regardless of whether they were Nukes, or non nukes or whatever, sounds like there might have been a situation that spiraled out of control.

Was there any mention if alchol was a factor?

Hopefully, the man who shot the one who died, will be punished appropriately.

Such a tragedy.

6/03/2009 11:49 AM

 
Blogger Bubblehead said...

Yes, the excerpt from the 2nd article I linked to says that lots of people were drinking. While I don't know all the facts, it looks to me like it may have been a case where drunk people were playing with loaded guns -- never a good idea.

6/03/2009 12:11 PM

 
Blogger Sean said...

There's a memorial for him on the quarterdeck at prototype. I didn't know the specifics until I saw this post. Also, to satisfy your curiosity, he was at prototype. He was in the off crew phase. I didn't know him though. I'm an ELT-T.
Memorials are becoming too regular a fixture on the quarterdeck here. I'm sure the Admiral's going to be really impressed when he comes on Friday.

6/03/2009 12:31 PM

 
Blogger Bubblehead said...

Sean,
Thanks for the information, and good luck in your ELT training.

6/03/2009 12:43 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just FYI, if they were students at NNPTC, they couldn't possibly be in prototype. That's an entirely seperate command.

6/03/2009 1:16 PM

 
Blogger Bubblehead said...

You're probably right; I had thought that NFAS, NPS, and the NPTUs all fell under the "NNPTC" umbrella, but it's possible that it's only Nuke Field "A" School and Nuke Power School. If so, my title is wrong. Here's the homepage for NPTU Charleston.

6/03/2009 2:38 PM

 
Blogger Mike Mulligan said...

It is so tragic...we just had group of young people drinking in the woods and a scuffle happened, with one kid getting a fractured scull by falling on a log and needing to be life flighted out.

Sean,

Is it car and motor cycle accidents that is causing this: “Memorials are becoming too regular a fixture on the quarterdeck here.”

Again it is so sad. Who hasn’t by the grace of god passed through similar recklessness as a young man and come out the other side unscathed.

6/03/2009 3:07 PM

 
Blogger Bearpaw said...

Ah, NPTU Orlando.

I am sure that my stories are not much different from yours Joel but they are certainly memorable to me.

Class 8304

We had our share of classmates that died during the course of the program. Virtually all of them were the result of motorcycle accidents.

Sad either way.

Bringing a gun when you know that you are going to be drinking is just plain stupid.

6/03/2009 4:24 PM

 
Blogger Mindy said...

I have a lot of information on this topic, as my husband is currently an instructor at NNPTU and dealt directly with this situation. It is horribly tragic and it appears that it was a freak accident, fueled by alcohol.

A very sad situation all around. Please keep the Sailor's family and roommates in your thoughts and prayers.

6/03/2009 7:39 PM

 
Blogger 630-738 said...

Anon @ 1:16pm:

NPTU and NNPTC are separate commands, although most folks in Charleston aren't even aware of either. The P&C couldn't tell the difference if one of the Moored Training Ships ended up in their building.

What a senseless tragedy. I dealt with 2 deaths while serving as an LCC there from 02-06. It's never easy to learn, and the corrective actions to prevent recurrence tend to be overly draconian.

6/03/2009 7:40 PM

 
Blogger mike said...

To answer your question about housing, everyone in prototype (NPTU) lives in out in town. Married people in "A" school and Power school (NNPTC) usually live on base housing, but may be out in town depending on availability.

As for nukes being out of control? I find that completely ridiculous, especially when comparing them to the guys I was with on hold with after being medically dropped with from SEAL training. THOSE guys were nuts, and they were much better at not getting caught. Sure there's a few crazy ones here at nuclear power school (I graduate with 0902 on Friday) but it's a very low percentage, from what I've seen.

6/03/2009 7:42 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I second the opinion that nukes tend not to party as hard as other rates, not only because of the workload, but also command policy: NNPTC and both NPTU commands are very aggressive when it comes to underage drinking (thorough investigations, instant mast for anyone involved).

Really, given the demographic (lots of 18-22 year olds with disposable income), it's amazing there aren't more tragic incidents than there already are.

6/03/2009 7:52 PM

 
Blogger Bigbill said...

When I was instructor in Charleston 92-96, I only recall two student deaths and they were caused by a drunk woman T-boning their car as they were heading home from swings. Even as a student in 8606, I only recall one death and it was a guy being stupid on a motorcycle. Unfortunately he killed four people in the car he hit at 100+ mph.

6/03/2009 8:57 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Mike Mulligan,

I just read your post and was totally shocked. It made sense and didn't piss me off. If you make more posts like that people will not go ballistic on you. Thanks for a decent post.

panamared

6/03/2009 9:34 PM

 
Anonymous USN WIFE said...

First off I knew Pease. My husband and him were friends. He is such a sweetheart and its sad that he was sitting on my couch 2 days before this happend. HE WAS IN PROTOTYPE. The guy that was charged was in prototype too. im not sure of everyone that was at that party but i know that most of them were under 21 but above 18. IT WAS AN ACCIDENT. these boys were friends. pease waas NOT a fighter, and it had everything to do with alcohol. im sure he will be charged but RIP pease. god rest your soul. you will be missed. we love u.

6/03/2009 10:55 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd say to people who claim that Navy Nukes are "out of control" that they really don't behave any differently than any other group of similarly-aged young people with similar amounts of time off and discretionary income.
I disagree. I'm sure I'll be in the minority here though. Alcohol abuse is a force-wide issue that spans all rates & ranks, that much is true.

In my experience though...
Navy nucs work harder & longer, train more, and in my experience have a much greater tendency to drink longer and harder even if they have LESS time off than our non-nuc Sailors.

The amount of discretionary income our nucs have compared to their non-nuc age peer groups is also much greater, which is a contributing (though not a driving) factor in my opinion.

If the prototype instructors were only giving the Right Spirit campaign lip service (which is common sadly) but also telling drinking 'war' stories of their past while on breaks or when on shift during quiet periods, they were setting a bad example to impressionable young and talented Sailors, giving them the idea that such partying and off-duty behavior is normal and acceptable.

As a former DAPA, disastrous and completely PREVENTABLE cases like this make me angry. There is no such thing as an accidental weapons discharge according to Admiral (Joe) Walsh, only a negligent one - whether it was fueled by idiocy or alcohol makes no difference. The shooter needs to be held accountable.

Obviously cases like this distress the high brass as well, because here in Pearl we're having all hands calls w/ Admiral McAneny this Friday. The topic will be DUI's/ARI's according to scuttlebutt. I'd imagine this case will come up...

STSC

6/04/2009 12:01 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, yeah, alcohol and firearms don't mix.

It is nice to hear that the command will punish underage drinking, at least if it isn't career ending.

My prayers are with the victim, and his survivors.

6/04/2009 2:47 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joel,

What enlisted NPS class were you in? 8407 here.....

6/04/2009 6:45 AM

 
Blogger phw said...

I am sorry to hear about this. One life is ended, and another ruined. Heartbreaking.

6/04/2009 8:02 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry to hear about this tragedy.

As for the comment "It is nice to hear that the command will punish underage drinking, at least if it isn't career ending."
ANY nuke caught underage drinking just had their nuclear carrer ended.

Ex-RCLPO class 9402

6/04/2009 10:32 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So is everyone underage at that party going to get thrown out?

6/04/2009 11:32 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the students get caught, they will be removed from the program. When I graduated NNPTC we lost 4 people to that before they were to go to sea. All their hard work wasted...


Ex-RCLPO class 9402

6/04/2009 11:45 AM

 
Blogger a_former_elt_2jv said...

I only knew one kid who died when I was in school-- he got picked up for USNA, and when we were in prototype, he died of some undiagnosed heart condition during Army-Navy.

We used to tease him about his middle name-- Leslie. After we heard what happened, I feel a little bad about that one.

This seems like a bad time to be in Charleston. I'm sure the "underage" drinking policies are going to get a thorough looking through, and probably Page 13's for all the nukes from NNPTC and NPTU's will probably have to read and sign.

What a tragedy....

6/04/2009 12:21 PM

 
Blogger 630-738 said...

Ex-RCLPO,

I can only speak of the time frame 2002-2006, since that was when I served at NPTU. Underage drinking in and of itself would NOT get you tossed out of the NF program. ADM Bowman wanted to reduce attrition in the program, and he saw this as an opportunity to give students a second chance. At least from this perspective I agreed, although his initiatives went too far in the areas of academics and discipline problems. Far too many sailors either mentally or morally unsuited for duty as a Navy nuke made it to the fleet. Underage drinking should not be the death knell of a young sailor's career, however, and it wasn't during this time frame, and I suspect it isn't now either.

6/04/2009 12:26 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Going through E-side pipeline there was a gigantic underage drinking bust in the class ahead of mine (I was in 99-04, so it was 99-03 or -02) that involved 50+ students in one shot. Very few were actually ejected from the program, and many were given suspended busts. It was broken open by two "party girl" types going out underage drinking on Friday night, where they were seen by one of their instructors who informed the command. On Saturday they were involved with a giant beach party at Short Stay that had several kegs and most of the 80-100 people were underage. On Monday, they were called into the XO's office and asked about their underage drinking from the weekend. Not even thinking about the Friday night out on the town, they spilled the beans on the beach party.

Unless things changed from when I went through in 04 (04-04) O-side, they still will generally throw the book at underage drinkers with the exception of not de-nuking them unless some sort of excessive violation was involved (DUI/Drugs in combo). It's become very easy to identify underage drinkers, as they are the only E-3's in the crowd.

I'm sorry to hear about another senseless death. For anyone who knew him, my condolences. Sometimes it's easy to forget that survival is still a basic function, and responsibility, of a human being.

-MustangLT

6/04/2009 12:28 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow...It blows my mind that the rules have changed that much that fast. I left the Navy in 2000 for a civilian engineering job. I saw the beginnings of the changes towards the end of my tour, and it wasn't with my goals and objectives.

630-738, your data point is more recent than mine. I was an instructor at the NPTU in the mid 90s, so I imagine what you have states holds true today.

This story is so sad. I wish the best for everyone involved.

Ex-RCLPO class 9402

6/04/2009 1:57 PM

 
Blogger Bubblehead said...

0645 Anonymous: I was in 8406 (Enlisted) and 8904 (Officer). Was also a Shift Eng on 626B from Oct '93 to Oct '95.

6/04/2009 2:53 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joel I am sure we must have crossed paths...8407 section 12 EM, then MTS-635 staff 88-92.

Is this yours? :-)

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6/04/2009 3:13 PM

 
Blogger Bearpaw said...

In the 80s when Nuc school was in Orlando, the drinking age was 19 with a military ID. So virtually everyone was of age. Rosie O'Grady's and OBT were the destinations on the weekend. I don't recall anyone being busted or dropped for alcohol just going to an academic board.

On board the ship, coming along after the USN starting doing piss tests, they started losing a lot of Nucs to drug tests. There was one guy that was de-nuced and got it back after going through rehab.

Didn't the reactor run on the alcohol that was hidden in the pukas under the main engines and reduction gears?

6/04/2009 3:26 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The drinking age in Florida was 19 when I was there, 18 with a military ID. Some places wouldn't serve 18 year olds even with a military ID, one of my buds was sometimes left out of our shenanigans because of it.

6/04/2009 4:40 PM

 
Blogger Bearpaw said...

Anonymous, you are right about the FL age being 18 instead of 19.

My mistake.

6/04/2009 6:17 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmm, looks like the ridiculous policy instituted at NPTU in 2004 which included inspections of students' off base housing and firearms questionnaires failed to prevent this. Not surprised...Agree with 630-738, the response to this will be yet another draconian policy that probably violates certain tenants of the Bill of Rights. A tragedy indeed, but a little bit of leadership from above, instead of some POA&M, probably could have prevented this.

6/04/2009 7:03 PM

 
Blogger Lou said...

I remember an incident when I was on 626C back in the mid 90s, we had 2 hot runners (EM and ET I think), that were going to be picked up as staff until they got busted for underage drinking. Both of them stayed in the program, but they lost a stripe and their SPU billets.

One has to wonder how many staff were at this party, and what will happen to them, I doubt that aspect of prototype has changed any at all since I got out.

6/04/2009 7:35 PM

 
Blogger Mike Mulligan said...

I’ll bet you they reduced the drinking age to 18 in around 1972...that was part of the protest over the Vietnam War...you can fight a war at 18, then you can drink a beer?

The United States has the highest legal drinking age in the world(21), as established by the National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984.

I was a alcoholic by the time I was 27....and by the end of my 27th (1979) year I drank my last drink of booze. I had the problem...the vast majority of people can drink responsibly.

6/04/2009 7:57 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I went through NNPTC in 93-94 and they were merciless when it came to ARIs in general. You could get away with a certain amount of other disciplinary issues if you were able to fix yourself. Not so much with alcohol.

Most of the time it started with a hotel party at CPI, some damage got done to the room and the hotel had the NNPTC Q-deck on speed-dial.

After that the dimes started dropping and the carnage ensued. In my time there we had at 2 major busts that I can think of, and several minor ones.

6/04/2009 8:31 PM

 
Anonymous Former Squadron Rider said...

Coming thru the pipeline in 91-93 (9213-ET & 9207) I remember there was a zero tolerance policy for underage drinking. A 20 yr old guy in my boot company who was on his way to Mechanichood got rolled out of a cab at the NTC main gate one Saturday night in his 8th week of A-school. Unconscious-drunk. By Tuesday moring he was a FA with orders to the fleet oiler Cimmaron. Ah, the good old days. My sympathies for the classmates and the staff and the families of both these poor kids. Hopefully this will be the wakeup call needed to get the kids (at least those in Charleston) to realize that they need to find some other outlet for their energy and income besides a bottle.

Up here in the lovely PACNORWEST, we're dealing with roughly a DUI every other week. Get told that if your command gets a second DUI within a calendar year, your CoC gets "invited" to participate in a VTC with the FORCM and SUBPAC. Now, I'm all for intrusive leadership and doing everything possible to show guys the right way to do things, but how is a VTC YFG going to prevent stupid? And if we're spending all this time focusing on this one admittedly improtant issue, what other issues are out there that we're missing?

6/04/2009 11:38 PM

 
Blogger christopheramoore said...

Yup, it's a tragedy.

Nope, the navy isn't going to come up with a fix all for this type of situation.

I was at NPTU from '01 to '03, and I'm pretty sure that every rule having to do with underage drinking, or fraternization was broken during that time.

The simple fact of the matter is that too many people are not being taught responsibility these days. This is something that the navy can try to instill in someone, but if they don't come from a background (yes, i'm talking about family) that teaches responsibility and good decision making, these situations are bound to occur.
To the ex-RCLPO, in '94 the navy didn't have a problem keeping the first term sailor in the navy. Right now, the navy is throwing close to 100K at a 3353 to stay in. As a result, I'm sure that the "standards" have been modified a bit (across the board, not just WRT alcohol). At the same time, the fleet is being modernized, and these ships are easier to operate safely.
Regardless, it's sad that these kids were stupid enough to mix alcohol and firearms. I'm not going to try and act aloof about the situation, because I know that underage drinking occurs, and I know that baby-nukes have money and a decent bit of free time, so bad things are going to happen. But, I think it comes down to the basics I was talking about earlier. If someone has never been held truly accountable for there actions, then there actions will become more and more reckless until tragedy occurs.

6/05/2009 8:12 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yup, it's a tragedy.

Nope, the navy isn't going to come up with a fix all for this type of situation.

I was at NPTU from '01 to '03, and I'm pretty sure that every rule having to do with underage drinking, or fraternization was broken during that time.

The simple fact of the matter is that too many people are not being taught responsibility these days.

-------

Having been in the "program" 77-83, I am wondering how much the Navy could teach a sailor if there hands were no tied?

Back in the day you could drink on base, in most states and after a hard night of drinking the Chiefs / LPO's were always there to assist you. For example, drink too much, show up late and/or unable to perform then earn some extra duty. Most guys only need this lesson a few times to put it together. With this process kids who had not had a chance to be "guided" by their family's now due. No need for njp, de-nucing or other extreme measures.

IMHO the current system sounds like one that would / will cut off its nose to spite the face.

The same problem exists in the rest of our society with our 21 yr old drinking age and zero tolerance policies. Maybe the Navy could lead the way?

I also wonder what the DBF chief has to say on this one? My best mentor / teachers were EM chiefs who started out on diesel boats

6/05/2009 9:43 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The same problem exists in the rest of our society with our 21 yr old drinking age and zero tolerance policies. Maybe the Navy could lead the way?
Under age Sailors who recognize they need help have a safe haven for self-referring themselves for alcohol abuse problems (OPNAVINST5350.4C). To qualify as a self-referral they have to tell the right person (Doc, COB, CO, XO, FSCC, DAPA) and have no evidence of involvement in an ARI. The fact that they are admitting to underage drinking is put to the side & they aren't charged for making that admission & can get treatment.

Not enough of our young Sailors are even aware of what's available to them in terms of help. Sadly, even fewer who have a problem actually ask.

As for a fix-all. Admiral McAneny is putting breathalyzers on all the boats and asking for random blows of the duty section prior to relieving the watch. They did a study in San Dog and found out there were some guys who looked & acted sober were actually blowing .04 or .05 at turnover - not in a condition to take the watch!

So while it isn't a fix-all, it is a patch that will at least keep the fleet operating with more sober watchstanders. I'd imagine this ought to be especially effective in foreign liberty ports.

STSC

6/05/2009 9:53 PM

 
Blogger Lou said...

Sadly, another incident involving a NWS sailor drinking underage is charged with felony DUI (P&C article), no indication of the sailor's assignment.

6/05/2009 10:26 PM

 
Blogger Sean said...

Yeah, about the DUI. I got a haircut after work this morning and the girl working there gave me the scoop. She's dating a chief on the 635 that had to deal with it personally. The driver is alive but the two passengers died. Apparently the 19-year-old is looking at up to 50 years. She dropped a name but I don't remember it.
All the students are getting seminars on the dangers of alcohol next week.

6/06/2009 7:35 AM

 
Blogger Srvd_SSN_CO said...

There was a LOT less to do in BFE in Idaho when I went to prototype, and during my 6 months there wasn't a single DUI or death. So it can't be that the guys in CHASN are just bored.

I knew a young officer who died in a single car accident a year or so ago, great guy but driving blind ass drunk.

ARIs are thought, by everyone above the CO, to be representative of command climate. But, if the problem is so widespread, at what level is the climate being formed?

And as for searches of off-base civilian housing, you better bring a warrant or you can kiss my butt.

6/06/2009 4:22 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm in 0802 in NY NNPTU. (I know, I'm still here. Blame the training hold.) I've heard this report at least 3 times. From what I've heard, all involved were drunk, one sailor brought out the gun to show to the others. At some point, either someone pulled back the slide to ensure that no bullets were chambered while the magazine was still in, or someone removed the magazine without checking the chamber. Either way, the only story I've heard about the shooting is that the shooter was drunk and pretended to shoot Pease for some reason without checking the gun was loaded, and shot him in the head. The shooter is currently (as of 08 June 09) in jail awaiting involuntary manslaughter charges. We already have to muster after day 7 with the CMC to get a "don't drink and drive" speach (due to the recent trend of DUI's, probably directly related to the training hold); now we have to get a "don't drink and shoot people" speech.

As for nukes drinking more than other people of the same age group, I agree whole-heartedly. Most people I work with get drunk every night. Some come to work drunk more ofter than not. I myself am drunk right now. I have an average of 4 drinks a night, and from people I talk with, I am the norm, not the exception. It's probably because I've been at prototype for a full year. You nukes know what I'm talking about - struggling to convince staff memebers to actually work, being yelled at for not being able to do the former, 12 hour days, 7 days a week, being treated like cattle, less than human. It's enough to drive anyone to drink. We have an average of 1 suicide or attemped suicide a month.

Anyway, the current status of ARI rules - underage drinking usually does not result in denuking, just masting. Providing to underage personnel results in instant denuking, however. This rule just came into play at NNPTC in Spring 2008. (It was an incident in my class that caused this.)

My condolences to those involved. I have no doubt that the navy will make our lives hell because of this.

6/08/2009 12:09 AM

 
Blogger 630-738 said...

Alright, let's shed some light on this "off-base housing inspection" thing.

It came to be after a suicide incident which was entangled in a much larger incident involving drug sales and, IIRC, stolen property. This was run primarily out of a group of NPTU students' apartment. The way it was set up was this: You asked the student for permission to check out his off-base living arrangements. The student could tell you no, and they often did. It was part of the "intrusive leadership" initiative that started (at NPTU) in 2004. I NEVER allowed any of my instructors to browbeat a student into allowing them in their homes. If you lived on base in housing, you already consented to random inspections. I did a couple of inspections with the student's permission, and discovered some troubling things. I didn't go looking to see if he folded his skivvies right or had his bedsheets "catch edge down", I looked to ensure that where he/she lived was safe, adequate housing. I was a landlord's worst nightmare if the place was substandard. If the student lived like a pig, that was his prerogative, not my place to comment.

6/08/2009 10:05 AM

 
Anonymous SJV said...

At NPS Orlando while I was there in 8605 they used to put a wrecked car out on the grass as a reminder of what could happen. Back then the EM club had multiple young ladies graduating from the Boot Camp every weekend, and for some crazy reason guys stayed on base more....Seems like to me the only thing that could prevent ARI's would be to either make them want to stay on base(by having such a distraction there)or by restricting liberty for all the single guys. I really don't see that money is a factor. Beer is cheap.

6/08/2009 11:24 AM

 
Blogger 630-738 said...

I see a lot of comparisons to days gone by, back when EM clubs were prevalent and young sailors stayed on base. Don't forget, you can't make that comparison to NPTU, even in Charleston. The students of NPTU don't live on base, unless they're married and live in base housing. They are required to move out into the community, and as such enjoy their "extracurriculur activiites" there. Even if there were a viable on-base club (which I thought there was- wasn't Cap'n Robert's Dive converted into a club of sorts?), sailors would STILL have to drive home after a hard night's partying.

6/08/2009 2:51 PM

 
Blogger Sean said...

I've been to the Dive plenty of times. The only girls I've seen there are nukes or wives. And the female nukes are very used to the 33 to 1 ratio that is nuke school. There really isn't that much other Navy there to even out the ratio a little, and no college chicks are going to venture out through Goose Creek to go to a bar inhabited by baby nukes.
A good friend of mine has a nuke shirt that his now ex-wife made him. It says, "Navy Nuke" on the front and, "Sexually deprived for your freedom" on the back. People say it's funny because it's true.
So you have a group of young people with the concept of "work hard, play hard" in their heads, and most of them have to jump through hoops to get a date. Getting drunk in the middle of the day on Wednesday might be weird for normal people. At prototype, this is just what people do to stay awake all day after getting out of work that morning on day 7 of mids. All so they can get used to the new sleep schedule for when they start days on Saturday.

6/11/2009 12:10 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cry me a freakin' river, so the baby nukes can't get laid. Like that is a new story....

6/11/2009 2:51 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The involved in the DUI incident was Brandon Pilarowski, 19, who was an NPTU student here in Charleston. I don't know the whole story, but from what I understand, they had gotten off of last day of Mids and decided to go ride ATVs with a case of beer in tow. Here's a link to the story at http://www.palmettocops.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44949. It's just sad because no matter how much alcohol awareness training the command chooses to shove down student's throats, these incidents will continue to happen. It's not the fault of the Navy or the Nuke Program, but rather the poor choices of individual sailors.

6/13/2009 2:14 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.patriotguard.org/ALLForums/tabid/61/view/topic/forumid/29/postid/1113887/Default.aspx

MM2 Joppru died from a heroin overdose ?!? ... what is going on in nuclear enginerooms these days??

6/15/2009 12:21 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think that people on this site dont really know what there talking about and its all just hearsay, those guys were my friends and did yall know that the guy that got the dui wasnt drunk he fell asleep at the wheel. his b.a.c. wasnt even released because wanted to use him as an example so on that case he's not facing 50 years, and the whole situation with pease was an accident. yea, it was not the smartest idea to mix firearms with alcohol but hell that could have happened to anyone. the idea that nuks are wild is b.s. and i think that people should stop and think about every situation that has happened and realized that everyone...nuke or not makes damn mistakes, and thats the way it is...stop making such a damn big deal about it.

7/09/2009 9:20 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Punished appropriately"???? The burden of accidentally shooting HIS FRIEND, is a life sentence and punishment enough.

It is so easy to want to 'see blood', when it isn't our own.

My prayer is for the welfare of everyone involved and anyone touched by this tragedy.

My hope is that whatever action is taken, will be based upon what is best for everyone involved and not motivated by 'public embarrassment' or the desire to make an 'example' out of it.

This isn't about...reputation or image, it's about a tragic accident and the lives it has touched.

7/16/2009 11:31 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The counsel of the Lord stands forever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations" (Psalm 33:12)

There is a future beyond this tragedy...

7/16/2009 1:10 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ahh NNPTC Goose Creek, SC 1998
Anyone know where officer Flood or Murray ended up?
david.turner@aeonova.com

Thanks

7/15/2010 3:08 AM

 
Anonymous Peter said...

Wow, yeah, alcohol and firearms don't mix. It is nice to hear that the command will punish underage drinking, at least if it isn't career ending.

1/24/2011 6:20 AM

 
Anonymous Salome said...

No doubt, the writer is completely right.

8/24/2012 9:19 PM

 

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