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Wednesday, July 15, 2009

Equal Opportunity Mocking And Belittling

In the past, I've made fun of moron officers who tried to refuse deployment to Iraq based on their dumb idea that the occupation at the time was a "violation of international law" despite the fact that the United Nations had authorized it. Now, I should be fair and make fun of a reserve "officer" who sued to get out of going to Afghanistan because he's a "Birther" (a right-wing cousin of the 9/11 "Truthers" who make themselves look ridiculous by spouting theories that President Obama isn't a citizen of the U.S.):
U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook, the reserve soldier who says he shouldn't have to go to Afghanistan because he believes Barack Obama was never eligible to be president, has had his deployment orders revoked, Army officials said.
Lt. Col. Maria Quon, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Army Human Resources Command-St. Louis, said Cook was no longer expected to report today to MacDill Air Force Base, Fla., for mobilization to active duty, according to a report in the Columbus Ledger-Enquirer of Georgia.
The paper said Cook, as an Individual Mobilization Augmentee, had volunteered for a year's deployment to Afghanistan on May 8 and his orders were issued June 9. Quon told the paper that IMAs who volunteer may ask for a revocation up until their reporting date, but that Cook had not asked for this. Quon also told the paper she could not say why the Army had revoked his orders, citing the Privacy Act.
It's a good thing our Servicepeople in Afghanistan won't have to be working for this idiot; now he should do the "honorable" thing and back up his beliefs by resigning his commission. Otherwise, it would just look like he's a coward.

(For those who might wonder why President Obama doesn't release his "long form" birth certificate, there are a couple of reasons: 1) If he gives into this request, conspiracy theorists will start demanding things like his elementary school report cards, and 2) it makes his opponents look foolish when they keep bringing these things up, which is to his advantage -- it's kind of like the "Truthers" and the Bush Administration.)

80 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with your assessment that he's a moron. That might be understating the case by an order of magnitude. However, I did read elswhere that he had deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan before this so I would say it's hard to call him a coward.

jmo

FTC(SS) ret.

7/15/2009 12:38 PM

 
Anonymous SJV said...

Since he's clearly stupid, it seems that he should be punished. I'd say he should be forced to spend the year he would have been deployed living in a town composed of half "birthers"....and half "truthers". Oh...wait...maybe he could just spend a year in CONGRESS!! ; )

7/15/2009 1:09 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have to disagree with you Joel, concerning Obama's birth certificate. If he has nothing to hide, why hide it? There is enough turmoil in the country now, why add to it? Produce the certificate, report cards, speeding tickets, laundary receipts, whatever it takes to provide positive proof.

7/15/2009 1:11 PM

 
Blogger phw said...

The guy seems to be a weasel. The whole point of this exercise seems to be a way to challenge Obama's legitimacy in the courts, not to get out of military duty (although that is the impact). The administration declined-- now I think we will start seeing the malingerers. I think that is exactly what the lawyer wants-- to have a sea of objectors use this issue to get out of military duty. She hopes that at least one of these objectors will get this heard by the courts. What a piss ant. Obama was elected by the people.

7/15/2009 1:14 PM

 
Anonymous Jeff Lee said...

Two things:

1) I agree with Joel, and I'm not sure why this idiot doesn't just resign his commission. As long as you're wearing the uniform (even if it's on weekends), you gotta go where you're told to go. Maybe he's trying to be an anti-Obama activist?

2) @Anonymous (7/15/2009 1:11 PM), it's called a conspiracy theory for a reason, and it's because the whole things is petty and dumb, just like the 9/11 "truthers" theories. And no, I did not vote for Obama.

you said, "Produce the certificate, report cards, speeding tickets, laundary receipts, whatever it takes to provide positive proof."

Are you kidding? Since when have we become a nation of persecution and suspicion? Oh wait... maybe don't answer that one.

7/15/2009 1:23 PM

 
Blogger Rubber Ducky said...

The bigger story is this guy's attorney, she of the tinfoil hat crowd. http://www.ocweekly.com/2009-06-18/news/orly-taitz/

This is but one of a series of lawsuits she's brought to keep alive the really dead (see Monty Python parrot sketch) birther conspiracy.

Election have results. One seems to be the emergence from the underbrush of some real kooks. It's getting harder and harder to tell these folks from Republican senators...

7/15/2009 1:30 PM

 
Blogger Old Curmudgeon said...

The truth-seeking press was able to get copies of the George W Bush Yale transcripts to prove that he was a moron. (just google ""president bush" moron" for a half-million hits...)

Why can't the truth-seeking press get a copy of a simple birth certificate to prove Obama is legitimate?

7/15/2009 1:37 PM

 
Blogger Squidward said...

They did: http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg

These people need to go back under their rocks.

7/15/2009 2:17 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, by canceling his orders at this stage of the case before the first case conference, Obama can file a motion to dismiss based on lack of standing.

Otherwise, if the conference had been held while he still had standing, the plaintiff could have dropped a discovery request on Obama and a subpoena on the state for the actual certificate and records.

I am of two minds on Obama's certificate.

1. He is being really smart by giving the fringe something stupid to chase instead of something with more meat (like how he and his wife got the parcel next to their home). All this is keeping the stupid thing out there to chase.

2. There is something wrong.

7/15/2009 2:50 PM

 
Blogger beebs said...

This major should have gotten out if he didn't want to deploy. Maybe the Army has a stop loss for reserves?

Nobody could leave the reserves during the first gulf war.

If he's not careful, he's gonna sea lawyer himself into Leavenworth.

7/15/2009 3:02 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh yeah, there is indeed a stop loss for any reserve or national guard unit who is under the microscope to be deployed. (espeically to Iraq) Any unit with a critical MOS like Infantry or EOD, are definitely getting deployed. Even if you're class 3 for bad teeth or bad hearing, you are still going.

The argument there is you didn't have any of these problems before you enlisted when there was no war on, so any personal issues which would deem you as class 3 non-deployable will be corrected one way or another.

Even if you tell your command that your gay or have aides or your a conscious objector, there will still be a very long and thorough investigation and additional background check. That means talking to your friends, teachers, parents and past employers. All that can add up to baaad juju.

But yes, active duty units, reserves and the guard have iron clad stop loss pressed upon them when it's time to deploy. I know that concept is scary as hell, but that is a hard fact. Why do you think the Army hasn't cut out SRBs?

7/15/2009 3:26 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Uhh, raher than name-call, Joel, why don't you simply post a link where we can all see BO's long form Certificate of Live Birth? Should be that simple shouldn't it?

7/15/2009 5:13 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Squidward, your link to Snopes has been widely debunked as a forgery. Hint: Computer fonts were non-existent for use on such documents at the time.

7/15/2009 5:18 PM

 
Blogger John said...

"Have to disagree with you Joel, concerning Obama's birth certificate. If he has nothing to hide, why hide it? There is enough turmoil in the country now, why add to it? Produce the certificate, report cards, speeding tickets, laundary receipts, whatever it takes to provide positive proof."

Idiocy personified. Here's a link for you. Have it read to you or use whatever means you need to understand that there is no question about the President's birthplace. Then kindly STFU about it.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

FTC(SS) ret

7/15/2009 5:20 PM

 
Blogger Bubblehead said...

Anonymous,
He has released the Abstract, and the State of Hawaii says they have verified the original birth certificate exists, saying he was born in Hawaii. In any event, even if he were to release the birth certificate, there are plenty of morons who will claim his mother (an American citizen) had him in Kenya, then flew back to Hawaii and fraudulently put in for his birth certificate because, I guess, she knew he would be President in 47 years. Conspiracy theorists tend not to accept any evidence provided that disputes their version of events; it's like the "no plane crashed into the Pentagon" idiots who discount eyewitness accounts of a plane crashing into the Pentagon. Much the same way, Birthers discount eyewitness accounts from people in the Hawaiian government.

And where can we go on the web to see your "long-form" birth certificate? What, you haven't released it? Does the Constitution say the President loses all privacy rights?

7/15/2009 6:27 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And where can we go on the web to see your 'long-form' birth certificate? What, you haven't released it? Does the Constitution say the President loses all privacy rights?"

1) I'm not the POTUS.

2) See above.

3) No, but it says, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Simply producing a legitimate copy of the COLB rather than a document produced by a computer decades after the birth would quash the claims. Why not produce it? But while we're on this subject, who exactly verified that BO met the Constitutional requirements to run for POTUS? Simple questions that could be simply answered.

7/15/2009 8:04 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Even if you tell your command that your gay or have aides

What if you only have one aide? Or a gay aide?

7/15/2009 8:17 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't recall ever seeing GWB's, Clinton's, GHWB's, or Reagan's birth certificates.

Even if he stooped to these nut-jobs level and showed it to the media, the same people would call it a media conspiracy.

7/15/2009 8:38 PM

 
Blogger Srvd_SSN_CO said...

LAME!!!
Really? All the right wing BS media led by idiots like Rush "I'm a drug abusing idiot" Limbaugh couldn't produce a real 'no birth certificate' problem during a year of election run ups? No way. Not buying it.

Really? Someone without a valid US citizenship and birth certificate just happens to get elected president and no one tries to make the case? Really? Is everyone who believes this really that stupid? Really? Please. You give conspiracy theorists a bad name. Better to say an alien from Mars was just elected. Frakkin idiots.

7/15/2009 9:11 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LOL...Srvd_SSN_CO That was both funny as hell and your commentary pretty much puts this whole load of BS into proper perspective.

7/15/2009 9:30 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Back to the original subject, I don't remember any "what ifs" being mentioned when I raised my hand and swore to protect my country,if the Major can't keep his oath, he should resign. As for the secondary subject that has been raised, I think that if the original document had been produced when the question was first asked, we wouldn't be having these very emotional verbal broadsides. It concerns me that we seem to have lost the middle ground in this country, everybody seems to go to the extreme edges of any disagreements. Don't know what has happened, maybe too much Viagra,or is somebody spiking the Geritol?

MMCS(SS) Ret

7/15/2009 9:40 PM

 
Anonymous hampshire said...

president Obama is not a citizen of U.S. it is totally stupid thinking and the U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook he is so stupid.

7/15/2009 10:03 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're not even from this country. What the fuck do you care Hampshire?

7/15/2009 10:24 PM

 
Blogger Rubber Ducky said...

Here's an update on the cat who started all this (from this morning's Daily Kos):

"It may be helpful to recap the timeline here. March: Cook acknowledges he's among the plaintiffs in a class-action suit "on behalf of 120 military officers" challenging President Obama's authority as Commander in Chief. In May, Cook tells the Army he wants to be sent to Afghanistan. In June, the Army accepts Cooks offer. In July, Cook sues to "get out" of that assignment, based on the same grounds (Obama not qualified) and using the same attorney (who actively seeks military members to participate in such suits) for a previous suit he was involved in that pre-dates his volunteering to deploy to Afghanistan."

Further update: the Army has accepted Cook's request to 'unvolunteer' for Afghanistan, rendering his suit moot. And he has been fired from his job with a defense contractor, who apparently doesn't need this sort of grief (time wounds all heels).

Was Barrack Obama born in the United States? Yes. Full evidence says so - no evidence says not.

Is Barrack Obama the Commander In Chief of the US Armed Forces? Yes.

BT/AR

7/16/2009 6:00 AM

 
Blogger phw said...

Obama was elected by the people and has been sworn in. If it goes to the courts, the courts will accept Hawaii's birth certificate. They are not going to chase this can of worms. End of story. I love it when loony-toons waste their money chasing red herrings.

7/16/2009 7:48 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So much for transparency...

Documents sealed by Obama:

His kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.

7/16/2009 7:50 AM

 
Blogger phw said...

Let's see, so any Harvard Law Review containing an Obama article was sealed. How did they they do that-- did Obama send the FBI out to collect every issue that was ever distributed? You are a moron.

7/16/2009 7:58 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Obama never wrote a Law Review Article. He did head the Review his 3L year, and published a casenote for it, which is plain and direct (and short even for a note) and can be found by anyone with a Lexis password.

What is missing is his decisions and recommendations on the Articles that were accepted and rejected, but those would almost never be released during his lifetime.

7/16/2009 8:48 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

phw,

Wrong on the election of OB. The people do not elect the president. The electoral college does. Although the electoral college is derived by the census, does not mean that everyone on the census votes. Had congress not amended this process, our senators would select our president and the senators would be appointed by the state's govenor.

7/16/2009 9:41 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All this "birther" nonesense is code for white supremicist attacks on our first non-caucasian president. Do you really think a democrat president who was elected, and whose father was from Kenya, and was caucasian rather than mixed race, we'ed be suffering thru this "birther" crap?

Not a chance!! Fess up all you birthers out there!! We know what you believe down deep.

Betcha with a little diggin they'll find some white supremicist stuff in former Major kooks background.

my two cents, and keep a zero bubble.......

DBFTMC(SS)USNRET

7/16/2009 12:27 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't really think the courts are goint to open this can of worms.

Suppose it is proved that he was not born in the US and is indeed not eligable to be President.

What then. Does congress remove him from office? Can they do that since he was sworn it?

If he is remoevd from office, are all the laws he signed null and void?

Do we prosecute the electoral collage members for voting him in?

Where does it end?


All other arguments aside, there should be some sort of vetting process before a person's name goes on the ballet.

Our courts have more important things to do than deal with this.

7/16/2009 12:42 PM

 
Blogger Rubber Ducky said...

DBFTMC(SS)USNRET: dammit, chief, you do us pigboaters proud!

7/16/2009 12:57 PM

 
Blogger Bubblehead said...

So what exactly does "natural-born citizen" mean? Lots of military kids are born overseas; are they ineligible? There's no doubt his mother was a citizen. That's enough for me.

7/16/2009 1:14 PM

 
Blogger phw said...

Joel,

I don't think the courts have really defined the meaning. It really depends on who you talk to. I adopted a girl from Guatemala. She is a US citizen and was the instant she entered this country (she was less than a year old). The US is the country she has ever known and my wife and I (both US citizens) are the only parents she has ever known. It is an injustice that there are those who would consider her less than a fully naturalized US citizen because she was born in Guatemala and lived there less than 9 months.

7/16/2009 1:37 PM

 
Blogger phw said...

BTW, I am with the Chief. It's all about white supremacy.

7/16/2009 1:43 PM

 
Blogger Sara E Anderson said...

I swear that when Justice Roberts came to speak in Moscow, and Ms. Taitz accosted him during the Q & A, there was a look on his face of pure despair that said, "I am going to have this job for the rest of my life and these people are NEVER going to stop."

I'm lazy and like to skip work, but I don't come up with elaborate conspiracy theories to get the chance to sleep in.

7/16/2009 4:09 PM

 
Blogger Srvd_SSN_CO said...

If you are born in the US you are a 'natural born citizen.' If a parent holds US citizenship when you are born, you are a 'natural born citizen.'

No naturalized citizens. Thus, the Governator cannot become president. But, if your American parents were traveling in Japan when you were born, you can be president. And if the little girl from Guatemala had been born in the US, regardless of parentage, she could be president.

It is interesting to note that there must be a 'grandfather' clause to handle the first several presidents since until VanBuren none of them were born in the US.

Probably some tinfoil hat potential in that last paragraph.

7/16/2009 4:29 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What some people seem to forget is that President Obama had to go through a background check. And he had to go through it before he even ran for election. There is no way that he could have hid something like this from the FBI, Attorney General, CIA and whoever may have investigated him. The "birthers" need to think about that.
On another note. As a parent whose daughter is deploying to Afghanistan it pisses me off for this clown to pull this crap.

7/16/2009 4:38 PM

 
Blogger Bubblehead said...

Plus, he got a passport well before he entered politics, so his birth certificate was sent in for that. Let's be honest... if this was a real issue, does anyone really think that Hillary Clinton wouldn't have brought it up? Or do all the Birthers somehow think she wouldn't stoop to that level. (Actually, I'm sure they'll say that Obama has proof she murdered Vince Foster or some such thing, so they blackmailed her with that.)

7/16/2009 4:45 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The birth certificate conspiracy is as ridiculous as... well, as every other conspiracy theory. And the people who believe in it ("birthers") are mostly the same kind of people who believe 9/11 was an inside job and that astronauts never landed on Luna. But are they all secret white supremacists? Undoubtedly, a few are. So are a few software engineers and a few cardiologists. Those of you who assign the racist motivation to all of them (DBFTMC(SS)USNRET, Rubber Ducky, and phw, I’m talking to you) show me some goddamned evidence and then I’ll believe you. And find some evidence before the next time you accuse someone of racism.

7/16/2009 11:33 PM

 
Blogger Rubber Ducky said...

"Those of you who assign the racist motivation to all of them (DBFTMC(SS)USNRET, Rubber Ducky, and phw, I’m talking to you)..."

Please show me in the above thread where I assigned racist motivation to your buds in the whacko fringe. Otherwise, piss off, you wanker.

7/17/2009 5:09 AM

 
Blogger phw said...

I don't assign a racist slant to the 911 conspiracy wackos (the "Truthers").

The "Birther's"? Sure, I think racism is behind this. This not to say that everyone who believes in this are racist (or even "secretly so"). I think many of those people may actually believe that they are defending the constitution, and so make the country. I think they do neither, but that's my opinion. Note that I am not calling proponents of birthers racists.

The organizing side of this, however, is another matter. These people certainly give this a lot of thought and they know the kind of chaos they are trying to stir here. They also know that they really have very little chance at success, but it will be great for supremist recruiting.

I have never claimed to have evidence-- but I don't think birthers care much about evidence. This my opinion, and I don't care if you don't like it

7/17/2009 8:04 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Obama just had the man fired from his civvie job. Either he is really trying to pump up the birthers and has a grand plan to expose his birth in the US on 60 Minutes the week before the mid-term elections....

or there is something very wrong with where he was born or there is an actual adoption document out there for his mother's second husband.

I wouldn't care to bet on either.

7/17/2009 10:12 AM

 
Blogger Bubblehead said...

So you believe that President Obama personally had the man fired? Wow, he's certainly a busy man if he's dealing with individual people's security clearances. I think it's more likely that by trying to game the system like that to prove a political point someone way down the chain of command realized he wasn't stable enough to hold a clearance.

7/17/2009 10:15 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon 11:33,

You protest to much. Sounds like AOWM stuff to me. I say again, If a Dem. caucasian male with a father from Kenya was elected POTUS we would not be hearing any of this "birther" crap.

Keep a zero bubble.........

DBFTMC(SS)USNRET

7/17/2009 12:05 PM

 
Blogger phw said...

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7/17/2009 3:34 PM

 
Blogger phw said...

Correction! He is an army MG. The picture I had made his uniform look blue.

Apparently Major Cook is not the only person on this nut parade. Apparently Taitz (the lawyer) have signed on an Army retired Major General (check out her blog). What does this say about our Army? How many certifiable kooks wear stars?

7/17/2009 3:40 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

***So you believe that President Obama personally had the man fired? Wow, he's certainly a busy man if he's dealing with individual people's security clearances.***

Of course it came from the White House. You don't think some Army O-6 decided to make a political move all on his own, do you?

Anyone here remember the White House plan that came down for the Navy to charter/seize cruise ships to house refugees from Haiti, complete with how we were going to do unrep to keep them out to sea?

7/17/2009 4:59 PM

 
Blogger Bubblehead said...

No, I don't think it came from the White House. I think the contractor he was working for didn't want the bad publicity of defending Cook, so they said they didn't want him to have a security clearance anymore. If you honestly think President Obama personally has time to worry about crap like this, I'd say you don't understand the Presidency. Maybe you're worried he's personally checking out blogs, wondering if "Anonymous" is going to reveal his secrets.

7/17/2009 5:22 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"If a Dem. caucasian male with a father from Kenya was elected POTUS we would not be hearing any of this "birther" crap."

Yes, we would. Most of the people behind this idiotic conspiracy theory are promoting it because of President Obama's politics and a misguided sense that they are upholding the Constitution, and not because of racism as you allege.

Can we respectfully disagree, Chief?

7/17/2009 5:25 PM

 
Blogger phw said...

The anon posts on this topic are descending to such levels of silliness that I can barely keep my dinner from flying out my nose. Stanley Kubrick could not have written better.

7/17/2009 5:33 PM

 
Blogger phw said...

The previous anon's post excepted.

7/17/2009 5:34 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DBFTMC(SS)USNRET, sucking in all of those diesel fumes for years not only destroyed your ability to logically reason, it also appears to have rendered you able to mind read.

7/17/2009 8:45 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rubber Ducky: "Please show me in the above thread where I assigned racist motivation to your buds in the whacko fringe. Otherwise, piss off, you wanker."

Um I'm not the anon at 7/16/2009 11:33 PM but what else could Rubber Ducky have meant by "DBFTMC(SS)USNRET: dammit, chief, you do us pigboaters proud!" given that DBFTMC's only preceding post on this thread was all about how the conspiracy theorists are all white supremacists?

P.S. "your buds in the whacko fringe"? Isn't it kind of clear from the post at 7/16/2009 11:33 PM that the anon does NOT agree with the birthers? I mean it's not like he's defending their theory...

7/17/2009 11:25 PM

 
Blogger Rubber Ducky said...

Anon just above: as we descend into chaos and wrangling, let me first suggest you get a handle. Any handle. They're free. That or Joel remove the option to post as 'Anon' now the crutch for those too shy, too uncourageous, or too technologically challenged to post under a name.

Whoever you are, you should know I visit here often and so have had opportunity to view the words of DBFTMC(SS)USNRET over time. My praise of him covers his entire oeuvre and was not meant as endorsement of his gentle suggestion that many of the whacko white supremacists commenting in favor of the birther fringe are in fact white supremacists.

I do, however, find merit in your contention that the birther nonsense demeans those white supremacists who do not subscribe to it. Thank you for standing up for them.

7/18/2009 3:41 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Plus, he got a passport well before he entered politics, so his birth certificate was sent in for that. Let's be honest... if this was a real issue, does anyone really think that Hillary Clinton wouldn't have brought it up?

I am not a birther, but may not be correct. Obama is widely reported to have traveled on his Indonesian passport as a young adult/college and law student.

7/18/2009 9:20 AM

 
Blogger Bubblehead said...

OK, so how did he get to Indonesia in the first place? And are you seriously thinking that he didn't have a U.S. passport before he became POTUS?

7/18/2009 9:27 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Obama was not born in the U.S. He was born on a planet beyond our solar system. The planet's Earth name is HD 189733b.

He actually came to the earth in the early 40s and roamed amongst us as one of us. You can not see his true form due to the protection of the false viewer (better known as the teleprompter). The "teleprompter" also protrays him with a god like complex.

7/18/2009 2:08 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know of no non-caucasion "birthers". If you do please be so kind as to inform us. I can only assume that the birther nonsense is the response of the AOWM crowd, their white supremicist cohort, assisted by Newt Gingrich and Fox News. I add Newt Gingrich based on his recent public comments on the loss of "white America" to the growth of our hispanic population.

No mind reading involved here, just regularly checking in with Fox News for the latest in wingnutia.

My two cents and keep a zero bubble.........

DBFTMC(SS)USNRET

7/18/2009 2:19 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"so they said they didn't want him to have a security clearance anymore."

Whatever DoD contractor he works for can't take his clearance. That can only be done by the Defense Security Service (DSS). His company can remove his access to classified, they can file an adverse information letter, etc but they cannot remove his clearance.

FTC(SS) ret.

7/18/2009 3:28 PM

 
Blogger Rubber Ducky said...

It's supposition that he lost his clearance. It's fact that he was let go. Employers have the right to fire at-will employees. Employers are not required to keep aboard employees who bring discredit on the firm or potentially cost it business. No laws broken, no rights stepped on. Nothing to see here, move on...

7/18/2009 4:04 PM

 
Blogger Bubblehead said...

DBFTMC(SS)USNRET,
Alan Keyes is a non-caucasian Birther.

7/18/2009 4:48 PM

 
Blogger Rubber Ducky said...

Anyone seen Keyes' birth certificate? The long form, with the seal and all that? Ran for president - might be a real scandal here...

7/18/2009 4:51 PM

 
Blogger phw said...

I am reading more of Taitz's blog. She is actually quite scary. She talks of raising a "citizen's army". With that MG recruit of hers, that might be more than an idle threat. Who would have thought that there would be a former soviet block citizen entering our country, agitating against our president (elected by the people), and would be supported by the nutty right-wing?

As far as Alan Keyes is concerned, there is not much he likes about Obama (in fact nothing). I think Keyes would join Peta if he thought it would help him get at Obama.

7/18/2009 6:52 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DBFTMC(SS)USNRET wrote:

"I know of no non-caucasion 'birthers.' If you do please be so kind as to inform us. I can only assume that the birther nonsense is the response of the AOWM crowd, their white supremicist cohort, assisted by Newt Gingrich and Fox News."

I also know zero African-Americans (possibly excepting Alan Keyes and Walter Williams) who did not vote for BO. Noting that in excess of 95% of all African-Americans who voted cast their ballots for BO and using similar 'logic' to your strain above, I can surmise that a significant portion of African-American voters are racists.

As to how any of this ties to a sub related blog, I'm not really sure, but this is related:

http://buchanan.org/blog/pjb-dumbing-down-the-us-navy-1592

7/18/2009 9:46 PM

 
Blogger Srvd_SSN_CO said...

>yawn< >blink< >rubs eyes<
I was hoping this dream would end... Now when I go back to sleep it will be all about Raeliens, L.Ron Hubbard and how we -really- went to the moon!

7/19/2009 4:53 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK, so how did he get to Indonesia in the first place? And are you seriously thinking that he didn't have a U.S. passport before he became POTUS?

First, I said I wasn't a birther. Second, he had a US passport before he became a US Senator.
Third, Obama did have a passport from Indonesia that he used as a young man and college student, including his trip to Pakistan.

The reason that Obama had a passport from Indonesia is because his mother's second husband was Lolo Soetoro and Obama lived there for many years with the stepfather. As per Obama's own book, he attended Muslim school there for two years.

A subset of birthers claim that Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and that is why he was issued a passport there which showed him as muslim. This is supported by the fact that in Obama's mother's divorce order from Lolo in Hawaii Lolo is ordered to support Obama in college even though Obama was over 18 at the time, which he only would have been is Lolo adopted Obama.

However, where I think the birthers get it wrong is that Obama never renounced his US citizenship, so he is likely a citizen of both nations.

7/19/2009 6:54 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bubblehead,

Thanks for enlightening me about Alan Keyes being a birther. Still doesn't change my opinion that it's just code for the white supremicist movement. He'll be forced to walk the plank when he's not needed anymore.

The real issue is the AOWM loss of political power. They get there bretheren, the overt white supremisicists stirred up. Newt, an out of power white supremicist (You can tell their out of power because they are always on Fox News spouting their crap)see's this as an opportunity to push the AOWM agenda. It's not just the out of power pols, it's white supremicists like congresswoman Lynn Westmoreland R-GA who describes POTUS as an "upitty" black man that could become president, and wonders how Judge Sotomajor, "a woman with a strange sounding name and an unusual list of strange sounding foods could end up on the Supreme court."

You don't have to scratch very deep to find white supremicists everywhere including in the military.

My two cents and keep a zero bubble.........

DBFTMC(SS)USNRET

7/19/2009 12:24 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DBFTMC(SS)USNRET painfully cobbled together the below screed. I took the liberty of grading it using standard marks - and guess what? You grade out a 45%. Not bad - when compared to a grade you would receive in logic.

"Thanks for enlightening me about Alan Keyes being a birther. Still doesn't change my opinion that it's just code for the white supremicist (-2 spelling) movement. He'll be forced to walk the plank when he's not needed anymore.

"The real issue is the AOWM loss of political power. They get there [-5 improper word usage] bretheren (-2 spelling), the overt white supremisicists (-2 spelling, -1 missing punctuation) stirred up. Newt, an out of power white supremicist (-2 spelling) (You can tell their [-5 improper word usage] out of power because they are always on Fox News spouting their crap) see's [-5 improper word usage] this as an opportunity to push the AOWM agenda. It's not just the out of power pols, it's white supremicists (-2 spelling) like congresswoman (-10 – Westmoreland is a male) Lynn Westmoreland R-GA who describes POTUS as an "upitty" black man that could become president, and wonders how Judge Sotomajor, "a woman with a strange sounding name and an unusual list of strange sounding foods could end up on the Supreme court." (-10 no source cited and quote cannot be attributed to Westmoreland)"

You don't have to scratch very deep to find white supremicists (-2 spelling) everywhere (-1 missing punctuation) including in the military.

7/19/2009 3:32 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 3:32PM,
Seeing as how you don't have a handle, guess I'll just call ya Mr. perfesser!

By golly Mr. perfesser, you got me fair and square!

Source on Westmorland quote is Cynthia Tucker, "As I see it" Sunday July 19, 2009. Look it up! Check it out!!

How come you missed my mispelling of Sonia sotomayor??? Got you!! -2 for you!!

If grading my spelling and english usage is the best you can do, you've just proved my point.

Keep a zero bubble.........

DBFTMCSSUSNRET

7/19/2009 4:24 PM

 
Blogger Rubber Ducky said...

DBFTMCSSUSNRET: Hey chief, remember when we used to get guys on the boat like the poster just above you? Trying to recall what how we labeled them. Was it 'nuke' ... or 'dickhead?' What an asshole...

7/19/2009 4:33 PM

 
Blogger Srvd_SSN_CO said...

ROFLMAO Duck!

7/19/2009 7:11 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And we called Ducky and DBFTMCSSUSNRET 'Double L'. Srvd_SSN_co types we called much worse, but I won't post those here.

DBFTMCSSUSNRET missed the point entirely - the 'grading' post was to point out that in addition to his extremely poor writing ability, his reasoning skills were even worse. Sigh, for some there is no hope.

7/19/2009 7:37 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 7:37,

My reasoning skills are right on the money based on the response of several posters.

Note: Mr. perfesser did not respond to my opinion re: birthers-white supremacists and AOWM even when I offerred evidence a-la Newt's and Congressman westmorlands public statements to that effect. Instead, he critiqued my spelling and use of english.

I note that you follow the same pattern. It's an old technique to attack the messenger when you can't disprove the message he delivers. As long as Newt, Carl, Dick, and Huck (the out-of-power former pols) continue to talk nonsense conservatives will be tarred with the white supremacist brush. I might as well throw in Fox News. tonite I watched Geraldo interview a guy claiming that the moon landings were faked!! Seriously!! How can you take any of this stuff on Fox News seriously??

Heres some more for you. In my opinion as well as the opinion of many others, the conservative AOWM crowd is scared of losing their perceived political power. They believe it is a birth right. Those days are gone, ya'all need to get used to the new America.

My two cents and keep a zero bubble.........

DBFTMC(SS)USNRET

Ok Mr. perfesser, have at it!

7/19/2009 10:19 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RD,

Appreciate the support. Can't get angry with ignorance, just feel sorry for'em. what's the name of this blog??

DBFTMC(SS)USNRET

7/19/2009 10:31 PM

 
Anonymous NN said...

Chief,

I watched Geraldo too tonight. For the fortieth anniversary of the moon landings, he first talked to a couple of conspiracy theorists (and it was perfectly clear that Geraldo considers their "theories" ridiculous), and then he spoke to Bill Nye for a reality-based view, and Nye reaffirmed that the moon landings were indeed real.

And this is your evidence that Fox News cannot be taken seriously? Watch more carefully. Perhaps you turned off your TV before the segment ended?

There are much, much better reasons to disdain Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, and the rest than this.

By the way, I am white, male, young, and not particularly angry. So I fit your stereotype 50%. I am somewhat conservative but I'm not scared of losing political power; I'm only one voter after all. As for the politicians you mentioned (Gingrich, Rove, Cheney, Huckabee, etc.), I've seen no actual evidence that they're white supremacists scared of losing their white power or anything ridiculous like that. So I don't subscribe to that nasty stereotype. They're just politicians you disagree with.

One more thing. Just to be perfectly clear, I am NOT a birther. And forgive me for making this long thread longer.

7/20/2009 12:55 AM

 
Anonymous Sisyphus said...

Here's an interesting segment providing a forum for the birthers and their detractors. No middle ground when one side is insane. Interesting that the segment starts with a total debunking. And thank God somebody cloned a hybrid of Tammy Faye Baker and Arianna Huffington.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/7/18/754838/-Meet-the-birthers-

7/20/2009 10:28 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NN,
Thanks for commenting on my post. Your correct. I changed channels before Bill Nye spoke. I do have strong opinions re: Fox News claim to be fair and balanced--NOT. I have time to do a lot of reading and follow current domestic events closely. I tend to agree with you re: news sources today. IMO there are some better sources available. I routinely watch Jim Lerher(sp) and Charlie Rose on PBS. I Also watch many congressional committe hearings on CSPAN. Fortunately I have time to do that.

Re: my belief that the old white power structure in America is afraid of loosing their political power, all I can say to you is I've watched it's struggle to retain power and define political and social reality for over 50 years. It's in the hands of an older generation in decline and their influence is on the wain.

Your comments reinforce my belief that a new generation is taking over.

Appreciate you NN!

My two cents and keep a zero bubble..........

DBFTMC(SS)USNRET

7/20/2009 11:17 AM

 
Blogger Srvd_SSN_CO said...

Anon @ 7/19/2009 7:37 PM

To quote Bull Durham, "Bring that weak ass sh*t, Meat." If and when you've got something to discuss...nevermind, what am I thinking.

7/20/2009 12:57 PM

 
Blogger Rubber Ducky said...

The final word...

http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001969/

7/24/2009 4:51 AM

 

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