SOYs Advanced To Chief
Congratulations to the Navy's newest Chief Petty Officers -- the Sailors of the Year who were automatically advanced to E-7 on Thursday. Here's the story.
I'm thinking there are three other ways to get advanced through the Petty Officer ranks without getting selected through the competitive exam process: automatic advancement to E-4 for people in certain 6-year enlistment technical fields, STAR re-enlistment that advances a PO3 to PO2, and the Command Advancement Program. I'm wondering if anyone has ever heard of anyone getting the "quadfecta": push-buttoned to E-4, STAR'd to E-5, CAP'd to E-6, and SOY'd to E-7. I'm guessing not, but I bet people have gotten 3 of the 4 fairly frequently.
posted by Bubblehead at 4:36 PM
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Yeah I'm batting about .750 on SOY and the like.
One SOY chooses the food for freedom program and bulks up so much he cannot reenlist at the 16yr point.
On another boat the SOY is CAPd to E-6, total stud, then loses it and gets d-subbed for psych reasons, but then makes E-7 on the early exam he was able to take.
But the last guy, he made E-7 on an early exam and is doing well.
You just never know, so all you can do is vote today.
7/19/2009 6:59 PM
By my math 1 out of three sounds more like batting 0.333, not 0.750.
I guess there were a lot more success stories you didn't put in your post?
7/19/2009 7:03 PM
There is one other way to get automatcially advanced and it has nothing to do with an individuals rate. In recruiting there is the Recruiting Excellence Incentive Program (REIP) program.
I have seen a few advanced to E7. I don't know if its still around, but I always thought it was BS that someone could get advanced just for recruiting, that had nothing to do with their rate.!
STSCS(SS/SW) USN RET
7/19/2009 8:12 PM
I don't know if the NUPOC program still works this way, but when I did it you automatically went from up a paygrade after one year as a NUPOC, and another if you recruited someone else to join. Absolutely nothing to do with advancement in a traditional sense, but technically it's a promotion outside the exam system.
7/19/2009 9:06 PM
We had a special projects forward ET who was an E-6 when he was 21. No idea how he did it. Nice kid. Looked about twelve.
Had an old uncle who made Staff SGT in just 2 1/2 years during WWII. Never saw any combat. He was a Chaplin's assistant. Had a little portable pump organ and could play the Methodist hymnal by ear. He could type faster than anybody's business.
7/19/2009 11:36 PM
Making 2nd class in 3 or 4 years is not unheard of when one works within the system even when you're facing a CREO 3 within your rate.
So, he had to have been meritoriously promoted. How the hell else would he have made first class inside of 4 years?
7/19/2009 11:44 PM
There's another way to get advanced. I got E-2 to E-3 on the spot for graduating top of my class in A-school. Add that to a CAP to 2nd class, and making 1st my first time up, and you're looking at a First Class with less than 4 years in the Navy.
7/20/2009 4:36 AM
I think it's very possible for a nuke enlisted to get the quadfecta, but I don't think they are competitive for major SOY competitions because they don't have the opportunities (or time) to do all the extra stuff (charity work, command politics) that a DT1 or an RP1 can do.
7/20/2009 5:46 AM
I was a push button E-4, I made E-5 because I swept the floor in my barracks room every day in Nuc School (only 4.0 eval in the class, plus did good on exam before I changed NEC's). Multiple for non-nuclear was lower. I made E-6 on the exam at the four year point while still a SPU at good 'ole S3G. I was 22. Had I not made E-5 on the exam and STAR'd, I would not have made E-6 until about a year later. So I was 1/4 for the quad, but I was an E-6 about as fast as you can get there.
As far as the quadfecta, I don't see it being likely for the CAP from E-5 to E-6. If they are in a program where push button third and STAR second is available, the multiple for first will be so low that all it takes is a pass on the exam to be a selectee. (Most of the guys who get out after 8 are E-6's.) In my day, the CAP was usually awarded to a guy who was having trouble passing the exam but worked hard and was effective in his job. I think our CAPs were all E-4 to E-5's.
7/20/2009 8:44 AM
It is also very routine (for some musicians) that upon a recruit's graduation from bootcamp, that they are advanced to E-6. They must wear it when they leave. This therefore makes it possible for them to go from E-1 to E-6 in 10 weeks.
7/20/2009 12:20 PM
See, knowing how to play the trombone isn't worthless after all!
7/20/2009 12:51 PM
I know of one nuke who got the 3 of 4 deal, although in a different manner than many. He was a MM1 who STAR'd for MM2, made MM1 on his own, and was REIP'd to MMC. After that, he became what I believe is the only nuke to convert to NCC(CRF).
7/20/2009 1:39 PM
When I was on USS HAWKBILL, we had a guy that got CAP'ed to 2nd, capped to 1st, a few years later he was PACFLEET SOY so he was advanced to CPO. He's now an LDO.
So he went from boot camp to O-3 without ever graduating from college or advancing via an advancement exam.
7/20/2009 1:41 PM
There are various advancement opportunities for BDCP, NUPOCs, HSCP and CEC Collegiates. NUPOCS and HSCP (Health Services Collegiate Programs) enlist as E6 fat the beginning of their program and can be advanced to E7 for referrals. BDCP and CEC come in as E3s and can be advanced upto E5 for referrals and dean's list.
I had one Sailor who worked for me who was in AEF to E4, STAR'd for E5 and CAPd to E6. He came to my boat with a superiority complex. He wasn't that good (he was a POS) and eventually got thrown off the boat and out of the Navy.
STSCS(SS/SW) USN RET
7/20/2009 8:20 PM
"It is also very routine (for some musicians) that upon a recruit's graduation from bootcamp, that they are advanced to E-6. They must wear it when they leave. This therefore makes it possible for them to go from E-1 to E-6 in 10 weeks."
Throwing the flag! I would like to see the instruction for E-1 to E-6 in bootcamp. I couldn't find it. Nothing happens in the Navy without an instruction.
7/21/2009 6:30 AM
Mr. "Throw the Flag":
The instruction, if you choose to find and read it, is the Navy Recruiting Manual, Article 041504. Specifically, it pertains to application for assignment to one of the Premier Navy Bands (such as the U.S. Navy Band in D.C, or the Naval Academy Band). Musicians do not go to "A" School or Apprenticeship Training, but report directly to their band after completion of recruit training. They are enlisted at the E-6 paygrade effective upon completion of Recruit Training: ie, E-1 to E-6.
7/21/2009 8:37 AM
Can I get an all paid Navy scholarship to Juilliard to with that? Actually, MUs do work pretty hard. They gotta be able to march, play and read music at the same time. That takes talent to pull it off.
7/21/2009 11:12 AM
As I recall from my unpleasant recruiting tour it was very hard to get someone into the Navy as a musician. There were auditions and numerous other hurdles. The bottom line was the Navy wanted people who already could play, and play very well. That's why the E-1 to E-6. We couldn't hardly get anyone into the Sea Bees either unless they had a journeyman's ticket for a particular in demand trade.
OldCOB
7/21/2009 12:10 PM
Musicians get a bad rap. Besides the rehursels, they get jerked around on a short leash by people in charge who think they are owed the band and music.
They looked just as sharp at Boot Camp Graduation as any of us did and they got more air time than Joe Smuckatelly in the fourth row of third squad.
7/21/2009 5:27 PM
If they're getting E-6 out of bootcamp, they had better be getting jerked around by those that are clearly owed the band and the music. Sorry about the necro.
4/11/2011 3:18 AM
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