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Saturday, February 27, 2010

Name Change For Department Of The Navy?

A bill (H.R. 24) to change the name of the Department of the Navy to the Department of the Navy and Marine Corps has 370 co-sponsors in the house, and will be debated in April. With that number of sponsors, the bill is likely to pass the House, as it has as an amendment in previous Congresses. When it does pass, action will move to the Senate, under S.504. The Senate is where the idea has died in the past. With all the Senate has on their plate, I'm guessing they won't get to it until possibly a lame-duck session after the November elections.

What do you think? Is this a long overdue change, or an unnecessary administrative exercise that flies in the face of tradition?


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Waste of money. Rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. There's better things to do with our time and money than buy new stationary, redesign and replace crests, flags, etc... Not to mention the time wasted complaining about the change. Reminds me of when secdef Rumsfeld declared that there's only one CINC (POTUS) and we had to rename CINCLANT, CINCPAC, etc... Lots of money wasted there. Anecdotally I heard that one Admiral's glass shower door had to be replaced with a new engraved COM (vice CINC) crest.... Waste of time and money. (I also mourn the COMSUBLANT name change....). What would Rickover do? (WWRD???)

2/27/2010 10:18 AM

Blogger Gary Cruse said...

". Rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. "

Is that just mindless cliche-mongering or do you think the Navy is about to disappear?

2/27/2010 10:38 AM

Blogger ret.cob said...

MCPON Hagan told us about a meeting he attended shortly after the Tailhook affair. Navy wanted to change its core values, but they wanted the Marine Corps to share the same values. Also attending the meeting was Marine Corps General Walter E. Boomer. According to MCPON, the General opened the meeting by saying, The Marine Corps core values are Honor, Courage and Commitment. They have worked for us for a long time. We're not changing them. Meeting adjourned.

Everybody knows what the Navy core values are now, don't they?

Now imagine the meeting where they all come together to discuss the new "Navy and Marine Corps Emblem." Anybody envisioning a change to the Eagle, Globe and Anchor? How about their flag? Will we just add their battle streamers to ours? Ummm.

Calling us the Navy and Marine Corps Combat Team is one thing, but forming them into one department is quite another. The emblem, flag and streamers are only a sliver of the cultural disparities between branches. This is way more than a name thing. Follow the money!

2/27/2010 11:13 AM

Blogger wtfdnucsailor said...

Personally, I think it is a waste of time and $$$. However, the folks that don't have "sub" ahead of the "Marine" may have a different opinion.

2/27/2010 12:10 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Waste of money. Except for the limited number of USMC troops who can be transported via C-130s, the USMC travels via Navy transport.

I agree they are indeed different - I went to dive school with a class full of Recon Marines - but this will just lead to doubling of administrative positions AND COST. The military is one of the few legitimate Constitutional responsibilities of the federal government, but that doesn't mean to spend unwisely. God knows there is enough of that already.

2/27/2010 12:40 PM

Blogger mike said...

What were the core values before Honor, Courage, Commitment. I can't believe I forgot them.

2/27/2010 1:59 PM

Blogger ret.cob said...


Not surprising you don't remember them; they weren't emphasized anything like how they are now. They were Professionalism, Integrity, Tradition, I think. And Tradition was the one causing the most trouble. Tradition made hazing OK. And hazing was causing a real stir in the post-Tailhook years. Gauntlets, initiations, line-crossings all came under spot-light scrutiny. And so did the core values. Changes were on the way, and traditionalists didn't like it one bit.

2/27/2010 3:08 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm anon 10:18. One point of clarification for everybody: USN and USMC are already both part of the
Department of the Navy. We are one department. The
re-naming, which has been a congressional interest item (pushed by former Marines in Congress, primarily), is an idea that has been around for years.

The Eagle Globe and Anchor (EGA) would undoubtedly stick around. However, the Navy's crest, which says "Department of the Navy" would need to be changed. As would stationary, publications, etc...

It just rubs me the wrong way. There are a lot bigger fish to fry.... (Ending with another cliche' for ya' Gary!!)

2/27/2010 4:30 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is just stupid.

2/27/2010 7:14 PM

Anonymous Steeljaw Scribe said...

waste of time, money and effort for a 'feel good' result. But hey, it's Change!(tm) and we're all about nothing else today if not Change!(tm). . . right?

2/27/2010 7:32 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why make the change considering the proud traditions of both services?

With money being so tight, why waste it on something so cheesy and admin related?

This improves the combat readiness in what way?

Would this mean that the CNMO ould be a Marine someday and would the Marines lose their place on the Joint Chiefs with one Flag representing both services

What would be the Navy/Marine Hymn?

Would this change funding and who would lose when money gets even tighter between the Navy and Marines?

Would this merge things like PRT? Navy would have to run ? miles.

Seems like a lot of admin for not many benefits on the backside.

2/27/2010 8:26 PM

Anonymous Former Squadron Rider said...

Ooooohhhh!! Joel said the "T" word. I'm gonna tell.

2/27/2010 8:43 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

So would the Naval Academy become the Naval and Marine Academy and would the goat finally get a big set of polishing objects?

In lieu of the convoluted situation with gender confusion and the military serving as a social test platform for tweaking, maybe the goat needs to be altered to reflect the neutered male!

Does anyone remember the "old school" core values before the current group?

Also, what would Mike Boorda think of these new "violators" of TRADITION!

2/28/2010 5:26 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why not do the Obama thing and create more government?

Create the Deaprtment of the Marine Corps.

That way, they can increase the size of government and create many jobs! The can create their health, chaplain and other departments. Give them all the gator freighters and let some SWOs become part of the USMC to drive them where they need to be. That way, the infantry won't be the lowest caste in the Marine Corps!


2/28/2010 9:21 AM

Blogger 630-738 said...

Marines deserve all the recognition they can get, and then some. Really now, is the Marine Corps this insecure?

Seriously. Has anyone forgotten that the Marine Corps exists?

2/28/2010 9:31 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

King Obama does love big government, do you think he would give the Marine Corpse (those pesky teleprompters always mess up words)their very own department?

That would spend even more of our grandchildren's money and our children's economic future is already in the cat box with the current spending like a drunken progressive off their medication.

2/28/2010 9:54 AM

Anonymous squidward said...

How about a different idea - why not get rid of the civilian service departments, entirely? Doesn't it seem like the secretaries of the army, navy, and air force are chair warmers? All the big action is DOD. This would be a good opportunity to eliminate a bunch of useless bureaucracy and streamline a bit. I bet we could get a battalion of marines out of the cost savings.

And which could we use more now? More useless bureaucrats, or a marine combat battalion? One guess...

2/28/2010 4:32 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

First women, and now Marines. I love it, seriously. Whatever pisses-off wannabe crusty hard-asses is a step in the right direction.

3/01/2010 12:12 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Flash News. In an unexpected move from the WH, the DOD is being completely outsourced to China. The conversion will begin ASAP. Don’t worry, they are here to help and it will save lots of money. BOHICA.

3/01/2010 4:34 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that they should change it to the Department of the Marines, drop the "Corpse" since its so hard to pronounce.

3/01/2010 5:23 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"There's better things to do with our time and money than buy new stationary, redesign and replace crests, flags, etc..."

Shovel ready jobs!


3/01/2010 6:57 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I support as long as the Marine Corps agrees to ditch the eagle globe and anchor and replace with the ACE logo from the new stupid blue cammies! Why did we spend the money to make a new logo? Because the Marine have the EGA on their cammies and we wanted to be like them.

Fight the greening of the Navy!

3/01/2010 7:06 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is a lot of truth in the statement below.

We trained hard - but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing. And what a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing inefficiency, confusion and demoralization. - Gaius Petronius Arbiter, 1st Century AD (source unknown)

3/01/2010 7:47 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, I like all you Navy boys. Every time we've gotta go someplace and fight, you fellas always give us a ride.

3/01/2010 10:39 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does this mean that the Navy can get rid of the rent-a-cop security force and bring back the Marine sentrys on the external gates? Those were the days when the grunts had the gates. At least there was no concern about someone breaching security because the Marines would keep their post secure no matter what.

The transportaton of Marines has been outsourced to the UN and Thai bongo boats. Your trip take long time.

3/01/2010 10:49 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I saw a front-gate Marine snap up a civilian for not paying proper respect to evening colors. Turned that dude into a quivering mass of shit.

3/01/2010 11:22 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

To quote an old Marine SGM when asked if it is true that the Marines are a department of the Navy, he replied, “Yes, that is true, the men’s department.”

3/01/2010 11:45 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

So the House has a cool idea to play the name game. Why don’t we play an old midwatch game with the House? For instance, how many cool names can we create with House, for example, Outhouse. For city slickers that is appropriately a hole in the ground full of crap and Sears Roebuck catalog pages.

3/01/2010 5:11 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's the sound of shit hitting the fan?



3/01/2010 8:53 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is the sound heard on T-hulls after the maneuvering watch is secured? Sick-call, wa, wa, wa, wa we are underway again. LOL

Or better yet, the T-hull halfway night angle of 3 degrees list is felt as they make that huge monster swing back towards home. Some get very scared with the angle and raging speed of 5 kts.But the old hardened T-hullers just say sonny, "that means we are heading home for another arduous standown and off-crew, it will be tough but we can make it."

3/02/2010 6:17 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Effective next fiscal year, the DOD might be changed to the ODF, Obama Defense Forces and uniforms will be converted to purple jumpsuits and purple BDUs. Note, purple jumpsuits will not be acceptable wear off of bases unless in case of emergencies published under SEPCOR.

3/02/2010 10:49 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do we really need a Navy and a Marine Corps?

Surely these insignificant functions could be efficiently outsourced to some quality, well run and proven organization like Acorn?

Get off the purple kool-aid you drones!

Is a liberal (progressive) mentally ill, missing critical DNA or just suffering from a loss of both vital busses?

3/04/2010 8:38 AM

Blogger M.Shawn said...

That is a good question. I never did change my name on my Social Insurance Number card (I'm in Canada). I tried but ran into a lot of red tape and didn't do it. My married name is on all my other documents, and I sign all legal documents with my married name.

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