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Friday, December 07, 2012

Bad Crippie!

From CNN:
A former U.S. Navy submarine warfare specialist has been arrested and charged with trying to give classified information about how to track U.S. submarines to people he thought were representatives of the Russian Federation - but who were actually FBI undercover agents, according to federal authorities.
Robert Patrick Hoffman II of Virginia Beach, Virginia, was arrested Thursday morning on an attempted espionage charge...
...According to the indictment, on October 21 Hoffman tried to hand over national defense information to people he thought were representatives of the Russian government, including classified information "that revealed and pertained to methods to track U.S. submarines, including the technology and procedures required."...
...Hoffman, 39, is described as a 20-year veteran of the U.S. Navy who was trained in cryptology and reached the rank of petty officer first class. He retired from active duty in November 2011. According to his biography released by the military, he served as a submarine warfare specialist.
A picture of the goofball, identifying him as a former CT, along with a copy of the indictment is here.

A lot of times in treason cases like this, the prosecutors end up having to bargain away the death penalty in order to get the traitor's help in determining what he had previously given to the foreign country. In this case, since there's no evidence so far that the doofus was ever successful in passing along his information, prosecutors are under no such impediment. Also, since the guy's retired, he's still subject to the UCMJ. I say just run the case through a court martial and fast-track his appeals so we can carry out the sentence expeditiously -- despite the CNN article saying the maximum penalty is life, I'm sure the military could find a UCMJ article (like Article 106a) that carries the death penalty. Does the military still use firing squads?

53 Comments:

Blogger Eric Lewis said...

If retirees are still subject to the UCMJ then I wonder why Petraeus isn't liable for an adultery charge?

12/07/2012 12:22 PM

 
Anonymous nhsparky said...

As I stated elsewhere, coming out of court this guy had a huge cheesy smartass grin...one I wish someone would wipe off his face with a shore power wrench. Bury this guy UNDER the Supermax.

12/07/2012 12:25 PM

 
Blogger Bubblehead said...

@Eric Lewis: In theory, Gen. Petraeus could be charged with Adultery under Section 134; you have to go the the MCM for that. Likewise, any retired officer who utters contemptuous words about the Commander in Chief could likewise be charged. So cases I gave would probably rightly be considered "piling on" and not necessary. In this case, where it's a guy who retired within the last couple of years who attempted to sell secrets, I'd say it would be appropriate, but not in the case of Gen. Petraeus or Oliver North back during the Clinton years. It's up to the prosecutor's discretion on whether or not to bring charges.

12/07/2012 12:41 PM

 
OpenID theoptimisticconservative said...

If you ever signed the oaths this guy did, you know there's no statute of limitations on the federal crime Hoffman is charged with. He probably signed the oath not to reveal classified stuff at least two dozen times in his career. Maybe more. Fry him.

12/07/2012 2:57 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, he was a spook, now it makes sense. just joking. So glad this Dirt bag was caught, imagine how much he could have hurt us. WoW 20 years and no khakis.

12/07/2012 3:47 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I misread the title and thought it was "Bad Cripple!", which really seemed unlike you. In any case, send this shitlicker to federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison, never to return...

12/07/2012 7:09 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Weirdly the government, for a TS/SCI SAP (or SAR for AF types) clearance states you have an obligation to stay quiet for 70 years, or death. Apparently you can come back from the grave and speak freely about the nations secrets...

12/07/2012 9:36 PM

 
Blogger MT1(SS)WidgetHead said...

Oklahoma is the only state left in the United States that uses a firing squad as a method of execution (and only as a secondary method.

At Leavenworth, for those are are subject to the UCMJ, and on death row, the condemned would and will receive lethal injection.

Personally, if I f**ked up bad enough and was convicted after an article 32, of a charge which would warrant death...I'd much rather face a firing squad any day. I say that because I can't stand needles.

So keep your nose clean and don't actively f**k up like this jackass did along with that other little pissant PFC Manning. Maybe these two and Walker can all share a cell together.

12/08/2012 10:02 AM

 
Anonymous k said...

"Maybe these two and Walker can all share a cell together"

With Hannsen & Ames, they now have enough for the Traitor Basketball team.

(actually if I remember my SSO training poster correctly, there's probably enough to fill an NFL roster plus practice squad)

12/08/2012 10:48 AM

 
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12/09/2012 7:58 AM

 
Anonymous ICC(SS) said...

Could we taser his 'nads a few dozen times before his execution, just for our own personal amusement? I bet he could dance real pretty! At least I want to find out if he can!

12/10/2012 9:16 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just read a story about this case and it included a snippet that Walker is eligible for parole in 2014. Had to laugh as you know that's going to be denied.

This asshat will be spending a loooong time in the clink. My question Is what can we learn about the commonalities that would make them want to sell out. Has to be more than just money....

12/10/2012 1:53 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

^^^ It's Called an Inferiority Complex ^^^

All the F'King spies and wanabees mentioned here have one thing in common - they felt slighted for their hard work, either through lack of promotions (as the current case mentions - retiring as an E6 in a wide open career field) to desire for more money (Ames) or misplaced prestige in an otherwise boring career field (Walker).

The Navy does a great job of riding folks hard and putting them up wet, without even a thank you. And these cases are the unfortunate result. If you'd like more analysis - Let's commission a 10 million dollar study to conclude the same thing!

12/10/2012 5:16 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Agree with most of your post, Joel, except for the part about the death penalty.

If I am reading the UCMJ correctly, the death penalty is allowed only in times of war.

Now, I know many Americans believe we are actually at war, but we are not. We can call it whatever we want, but we are not at war.

12/10/2012 9:48 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It still pisses me off that we allow non-crew to qualify. Now this dirtbag has put shame on Submarine Service.

12/11/2012 6:30 AM

 
Blogger Vigilis said...

Unlike Casey James Fury, this culprit apparently had a full career of responsible, drug-free military discipline.

If we are to believe what we read, however, CT1 Hoffman was not very ambitious until he left the navy.

The arson was difficult enough to believe, but the unsuccessful stupidity of attempted espionage was even surpassed in 2005 by PO3 Ariel Weinmann.

12/11/2012 5:08 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where there's one, there are two!

RN has same issue with cockroaches:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20693785

12/12/2012 8:50 AM

 
Blogger MT1(SS)WidgetHead said...

Actually, I'm somewhat serious about putting some of these assholes in a cell together. Hell, why not? They are not violent people, at least not physically. We were talking about this latest bout of craziness last week after Morning Colors. Offer the condemned a comfortable surrounding by issuing an extra blanket and maybe an extra trip to the prison commissary per month. Promise them an extra guard to maintain their security to minimize a habitual ass raping in the shower stalls.

Now, within a comfortable surrounding these asshats will feel a bit more safe and secure in bragging about their exploits and crimes, along with how they would have improved their efforts in not getting caught the first time. After all, hindsight is almost always 20/20.

Maintain visual and audio surveillance in their "community oriented" cell and let's see what we can learn. How can we screen and prevent assholes like these from BESS alone? How do we avoid such a ridiculous violation of OPSEC and NNPI?

So let them talk in a group on a regular basis and let's see what might benefit us in the future from listening to their ramblings. We have multiple generations in prison for trying to sell out. The one "attribute" they all have in common,is they refused to grasp the basic concept of being investigated and then subsequently getting caught.

I have no sympathy for idiotic treasonous traitors such as these.





12/13/2012 12:06 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

^^^^ Yuuuup! That's pussified. You spend about 75 cents on a .45 round to the back of the head after found guilty.
Sorry MT1, it's shyt like that that's killing the military. Hammer them, hammer them quick, hammer them HARD, and make an example, then you parade it around like a fricking holiday.
The "I love me generation" will get it when you take everything away from them.



hagar

12/13/2012 2:41 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Problem is, the example would be lost on the next asshat that decides to betray secrets because he was passed over for promotion because he knows he's better and that he's never going to get caught.

12/13/2012 5:19 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone know the timeline for the release of the 0-7 results. Curious to see the 1120 list. Thanks

12/13/2012 6:44 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Board is being held this week. Results usually get announced anywhere between March and May. Rumors usually begin in January.

12/13/2012 11:06 AM

 
Blogger Ross Kline said...

That isn't the Navy Way. We must punish everyone. Doubt it? Follow the liberty policy in Japan, the breathalyzer at the brow...

12/13/2012 12:37 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good thing there was no breathalyze in Cocoa Beach when we came straggling in at 0500 after breakfast, never would have gotten underway for daily/weekly ops.

12/13/2012 3:00 PM

 
Blogger MT1(SS)WidgetHead said...

Hagar, I understand what you're saying and I agree. It'll never happen, but I'd like to fill a stadium with lesser offenders and potential suspects. Guys who haven't completely f**ked up and still have a chance of maintaining a career and a productive life while on active duty.

The object here is to scare them straight as they observe the multiple executions of this latest asshat along with Manning, and Walker & son. Yes, put a Teflon coated Winchester Blacktalon round through the base of the skull of each convicted suspect. I would want to see blood splatter, bone fragments and brain matter on the field. Remember the main purpose here is to keep other wouldbe offenders on the straight and narrow. Plus on the other side of the coin, there would be no inentional suffering regarding the condemned. Their meeting with death would be instantaneous. So the human rights and touchy/feel good humanitarians in life wouldn't be able to present us with much argument regarding physical pain or further suffering which the condemned actively brought upon themselves in the first place.

Hagar, you're right, a bullet which costs less than a dollar would be so much more economical and faster as well. But we know life ain't gonna happen that way.

So since all these traitorous morons are going to spend a great deal of their lives in Leavenworth...We may as well get the most out of our money that it costs to keep them there in the first place. Hence my idea about constant surveillance in a group setting. For all we know, NCIS, FBI, CIA and all the other acronyms probably already have a similar program in place.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Security has changed over the years.

When FDR was asked where the Doolittle raid was launched from he said "From our secret base in Shangri La"

Within 24 hours the current administration pointed out Seal Team 6.




12/15/2012 11:45 PM

 
Blogger Vigilis said...

An excellent observation, Anon (12/15/2012 11:45 PM).

As one of our former submariners (Chapomatic) once stated on this blog, "Stealth should be spent, not given away."

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

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12/17/2012 1:49 PM

 
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Joel, make the bad people go away if you would Sir.

12/17/2012 9:03 PM

 
Anonymous Dardar the Submarian said...

You know it is neither a "fig eating camel fucker", nor a "towel head" putting that shit here. It is some fucktarded fat kid in Duluth who was denied entry into the military, and thus not allowed into submarines.

Go away fucktard fat kid. No job is better than submarining.

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Anonymous Dardar the Submarian said...

And fucktard fat kid, No ride is better than a submarine.

12/20/2012 4:48 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More likely its just some spammer in Russia or Nigeria trolling for people to buy into their scam. They probably don't read the blog or care about submarining nor read your responses. It is just a pure numbers game to defraud people who click and fill in personal information.

12/20/2012 8:35 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This topic is boring as hell and is played out.

12/20/2012 11:20 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joel, you are now banned on NMCI and ONENET. How are all the amidrils gonna read the fucktards comments here now?

12/21/2012 12:05 AM

 
Anonymous 610ET said...

“This topic is boring as hell and is played out”.

As is this blog unfortunately.

Has this reached the point where registration is required to post?

I don’t know what else can save it although Joel does appear to have lost interest.

12/21/2012 7:36 AM

 
Anonymous Dardar the Submarian said...

It is Christmas time. Wait until the after the new year. Then there will be more buffoonery.

Hell, so far we have survived the end of the world. I am happy about that. I was almost ascared for a second.

12/21/2012 10:06 AM

 
Blogger MT1(SS)WidgetHead said...

"It is Christmas time. Wait until the after the new year. Then there will be more buffoonery."

Yes, that's true and let's remember that Joel also has a family to maintain throughout the crazy season. He might even have to spend time with one or two unwanted in laws and other relatives he has to endure once a year. So let's give Joel a break if he doesn't have time for the blog at present.

I'm home on leave now at my mother's house. I know for a fact that I'm going to have to make time for her asshole friends (think Stepford Wives) who'll be stopping by. Actually, a few of them are kinda hot.

Dardar, I feel the same way. I almost pissed myself that the end of the world could possibly come sometime today. Plus today is my D.O.R. I remember very well the first day of (P week) inprocessing. I really did feel that the world was ending that day a few years ago.

Nevertheless, Merry Christmas Gents!!

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