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Thursday, December 06, 2012

Submarine Officers Earn Their Dolphins!

I was excited to see the Navy website front-page an article about submarine officers earning their fish; no matter why they decided to do a story about it now, it's good to see young Sailors becoming Submariners get some positive press. Excerpt:
Three Sailors assigned to USS Maine (SSBN 741) and USS Wyoming (SSBN 742) became the first female unrestricted line officers to qualify in submarines Dec. 5.
Lt. j.g. Marquette Leveque, a native of Fort Collins, Colo., assigned to the Gold Crew of Wyoming, and Lt. j.g. Amber Cowan and Lt. j.g. Jennifer Noonan of Maine's Blue Crew received their submarine "dolphins" during separate ceremonies at Naval Submarine Base Kings Bay, Ga., and Naval Base Kitsap-Bangor, Wash.
In order to receive their dolphins, Leveque, Cowan and Noonan were required to qualify as Officer of the Deck and Engineering Officer of the Watch, perform damage control functions, and demonstrate satisfactory qualities of leadership.
Cowan, a native of Colorado Springs, Colo., and Noonan, who hails from Boston, joined two other Blue Crew officers - Lt. j.g. James Barclay and Lt. j.g. John Schaeffer - in receiving their dolphins. Cowan was pinned by her husband, Naval Flight Officer Lt. Adam Cowan. Noonan chose a former Maine shipmate and mentor, Lt. Jason Brethauer, to pin her dolphins. Schaeffer decided to have Lt. Joe Westfall, a current shipmate from the Blue Crew, conduct his pinning. The Commanding officer of Maine's Blue Crew, Cmdr. William Johnson, pinned Barclay.
They even included a picture of the pinning:


Because us old crusty retired types like nothing better than to tell new Submariners how it was back in the day, here's some unsolicited advice from one of your new brothers:

1) The sea is a cruel mistress (or swain, as the case may be), who doesn't care if you went to the White House as a non-qual; all she cares about is that you respect her.

2) The rules of Submarining are written in blood. By earning your fish, you've proven that you have achieved the absolute minimum level of competence required to be trusted with the boat. There are still lots of rules for you to learn; don't ever think you know everything there is to know about how to safely and effectively operate a submarine. Violations of the rules can kill you -- or, even worse, those who work with you and trust you. Don't ever abuse the trust your Captain has shown by signing his name on your qual card.

3) IMHO, the most effective Submariners are those who know, deep down, that they really are the best at what they do. Sure, you should show humility and good humor around your shipmates (lest no one want to work with you), but, in your most base essence, you should believe that you really are the best at what you do. And you have to be able to back it up.

4) Always respect the boat and the crew. While the reactor may be the submarine's heart and the CO the boat's brain, the soul of a ship is made up of the blood, sweat, and tears of every man and woman who serves or has served on her. Never forget that your boat is alive, and if you love her, she may love you back.

5) Congratulations and welcome to the Brother- and Sisterhood of the 'Phin. You've worked hard, and are now a member of one of the most elite groups of warriors in the world. In time, you may find you have more in common with Submariners from other countries than you do with some American civilians. Enjoy your accomplishment. Watch a movie every now and again. And get hot -- you're dink on Command Quals.

65 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good post.

12/06/2012 4:47 AM

 
Blogger Curt said...

BZ!!

12/06/2012 4:54 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It states that to receive your dolphins you have to qualify as OOD and EOOW. Is qualifying EOOW a new requirement for gold dolphins? Are there still non-nuke Os on boats?

ex-EM1(SS)

12/06/2012 5:43 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With the exception of the Chop, last non nuc officers assigned was in the late 1980's. to my recollection.

12/06/2012 6:23 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LDO's are aboard boats and are Non-nuc trained (obviously not all are non-nuc trained). They complete an engineering qualification that ensures knowledge of operation of the plant but not to the level of 1120's. We've had LDO's on boats since 1999-2000 timeframe (not exactly sure of the year so this is a SWAG)

Being a crusty old SOB still on active duty I can honestly say I wasnt ready for women on Submarines but remembering VADM Konetzni's train of thought, "when it happens we will handle the integration of women better than any other segment of the Navy!" He's right! I wasnt ready but having had the opportunity to meet some of our newest submariner family (spoken females) they are damn sharp!

Congrats to our newest Gold Dolphin recipients!

12/06/2012 7:05 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LDO's can still get them, we had two on my last ship, a NUC ETC and a non NUC ETC, great to see the NUC ETC stand watch as OOD before he left!

12/06/2012 8:58 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Navy sure likes blondes, especially Irish ones.

12/06/2012 8:59 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good for them. While I don't question their abilities - the CO's comfortable giving them the keys - I have to wonder what their qual process was like. Something tells me they're not too familiar with banishment from the O-study and hounding DH's until they snap and tell you to write, take, and grade your own exam.

12/06/2012 9:13 AM

 
Blogger Curt said...

On the Right Coast

12/06/2012 9:17 AM

 
Anonymous coolerthanelvis said...

From the caption of one of the pictures: "It is submarine tradition to read from the famed submariner's story of his crew's exploits while in command of USS Barb (SS 220)."
This is the first time I've heard of this "tradition". It didn't happen on my 688-class in the early '90s on the west coast. Is this an east coast thing? Boomer thing? O-gang thing? Or is it something that this particular CO likes to do and the Navy wants to paint with the Tradition brush?

12/06/2012 10:22 AM

 
Anonymous Sean Robbins said...

Congratulations!

12/06/2012 10:28 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Coolerthanelvis: I saw that tradition start up in the late nineties/early 00's. It's a good one - you read a selection from teh book, pin their dolphins, then they sign the front pages of the book. The book becomes a real keepsake for the crew.

Brad

12/06/2012 12:20 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I teach at NPTU, and Ltjg Leveque is as deserving a submarine officer as there is out there. She's smart as all hell, and she knows how to play the game. Good for her, and welcome to the club.

12/06/2012 2:08 PM

 
Anonymous k said...

We normally read out of this book http://www.alibris.com/booksearch?qisbn=9780870217319&cm_mmc=shopcompare-_-paid-_-Google-_-books&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=9780870217319 vice Thunder Below. (everyone who went to the Academy already had a copy of Thunder Below signed by Fluckey)

12/06/2012 2:30 PM

 
Blogger MT2/SS said...

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/06/ex-sailor-arrested-accused-of-attempting-to-hand-over-sub-secrets/?hpt=hp_c2

TSSBP

12/06/2012 5:09 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why in the world would one of them be pinned by her NFO husband vice a Submarine Officer? I haven't ever seen a Submarine Officer pinned by anyone other than the CO, let alone someone who isn't even a fellow Submariner...

12/06/2012 6:30 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

^^^^ I agree completely ^^^

As XO, I saw a JO ask the CO to let his (JO) wife pin on his dolphins - that went over "like a fart in church". The CO or a visiting submarine Flag should always pin Gold Dolphins.

Silver Dolphins - a good, accepted tradition is for a dolphin wearing crew member, and their "Sea Dad" to pin on their Dolphins. A Dolphin wearing relative is an accepted alternative to the crew member, but always acknowledge your sea dad, or mentor, in front of the crew.

A short passage from WWII award citations, Thunder Below, etc keeps it it in historical perspective.

Congrats to the recently qualified Gold Dolphin Submarine Officers.

12/06/2012 6:43 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unwind your panties, her husband is a prior enlisted Submariner.

12/06/2012 7:07 PM

 
Anonymous SSN 753 still making history said...

The XO pinnned my gold dolphins, not the CO. I finally earned the dolphins near the end of a 7 month deployment, I really didn't give a rat's ass who pinned me.

12/06/2012 7:08 PM

 
Anonymous Former Squadron Rider said...

I have my own shorter version of Joel's advice:
The Bull's Rules
#1. Follow your procedures.
#2. Believe your training.
#3. Trust your judgement.
#4. Above all else, DON'T F(oul)IT UP!!

As for the JO whose fish were pinned on by a NFO, in true boat fashion, she'll never hear the end of it. First time the boat broaches while she's on the conn...

12/06/2012 7:19 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congratulations to the new dolphin wearers!

I received mine in 1984 and we read out of a WWII book then. Was like that on every boat I was on.

Jim C.
Retired ANAV

12/06/2012 8:00 PM

 
Blogger Zoe Brain said...

Bravo Zulu - not just to the three, but to the commenters here.

I've been a guest on this site for a while. I've been known to make comments about the existence of female submariners in the RAN. Or even that scumbag civilian contractor seariders of the female variety like myself have been aboard USN boats since the 80s without the world ending.

Darnit, I should have known that you guys are professionals, and shouldn't have been surprised at your attitude. But it's gratifying anyway.

12/06/2012 8:34 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@1830 Autonomous

This is an omission by the writer. LT Cowan, formerly MM1(SS) Cowan of USS Parche (SSN 683), is one of the finest nuclear trained mechanics I have had the pleasure serving with — and I know he is doing equally well in the F-18F community. He is one of us, and I can think of no better person for LT(jg) Cowan to receive her dolphins from.

— LT L

12/06/2012 8:47 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congratulations and good luck. Hope they can take a joke.

12/06/2012 9:15 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congrats, pat yourself on the back, take a week off. Now your real learning begins.



hagar

12/06/2012 10:18 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ LT L:

Thank you for the additional facts the kind words. It was my pleasure and an absolute honor to be the one pinning on LTjg Cowan's Gold Dolphins. "Par Excellence!"

12/07/2012 12:05 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm an outsider. Will it be harder for women like these to succeed in attack submarines?

12/07/2012 7:45 AM

 
Anonymous NHSparky said...

And in other news...retired CT busted trying to sell stuff to Russians. Where have we heard this one before?

12/07/2012 8:07 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On this day in Submarine history,

After the attack on Pearl Harbor where the greater part of the U.S. capital fleet had been damaged or destroyed, the only means of carrying the war to the Japanese was our submarines. Only five boats had been in port and the sub base was untouched in the attack. A submarine, the USS TAUTOG, it's .50 caliber machine gun, manned by Torpedoman's Mate Pasqual "Pat" Mignon, opened fire on a flight of torpedo bombers and shot one down unassisted. The first confirmed enemy causality by a submarine was an airplane. Other crews, along with fire from the various ships helped bring down several other planes. Six boats were in port on the west coast having work done or doing training exercises. The rest were either out on patrol or were in transit to Pearl Harbor when the attack happened.

Ref: http://pigboats.com/ww2/ww2sinkings.html

12/07/2012 11:12 AM

 
Blogger Chris Gorski said...

I see they don't pound the pins home old-school hazing style anymore. That would be awkward...

12/07/2012 12:58 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now they can give the Missile Launch back to the CO that they found hanging up in clear view...now that the CIA plant onboard the ship that originally stole the key after gassing the whole crew has had a change of heart!

12/07/2012 1:45 PM

 
Anonymous MentalJim said...

I hate to say it, but I really think those uniforms look ridiculous.

Earning your dolphins is a big deal. Good for all of them.

12/07/2012 8:38 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congratulations to our newest Sisters!
Joel, I do take issue with one part of your advice...
"3) IMHO, the most effective Submariners are those who know, deep down, that they really are the best at what they do."
This mindset, in my opinion, has contributed to some of the worst black eyes the Sub Force has received recently. It is correct and appropriate to have confidence in your own competence, but a deep-down feeling of 'being the best' is not a good thing, because it fosters a feeling of knowing everything...when you feel you know it all and think you are the best then the learning has stopped. I much prefer the 'always learning, always improving" mindset, where even a senior officer or Chief is not afraid (and in fact encourages) to improve practices without having to learn them the old 'by blood' methods.

Hot washes, lessons learned, etc, back up this philosophy.

Feeling invincible, having overweening pride,and an inability to accept inputs or learn new things (because if your think you are the best, what more is there to know?) is a dangerous path, especially for officers.

My 2 cents anyway. YMMV.

12/07/2012 9:52 PM

 
Blogger Sandy Salt said...

Good on them for doing the hard work necessary to earn their fish. It is a great accomplishment. Now go learn to be good submarine drivers and leaders, you have proven you can learn now prove you can lead.

12/08/2012 4:31 AM

 
Anonymous TM603 said...

As stated before, I wish them well... Now the real learning begins.

12/08/2012 2:12 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone think its weird or significant that (at least) two of the three are married to submariners? I suspect this might have helped them succeed for a variety of obvious reasons.


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12/09/2012 10:49 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At least the one in the picture, "Noonan", looks doable.

I'd do her from behind. :)

12/09/2012 10:57 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@Anon 10:57.

Hopefully, you are no longer in the submarine force. It is idiots like you who do us such a disservice.

And, to Joel, I must say as an Engineer on board an SSBN, they have at least one most important qualification before their Command Quals:

Engineer.

Get hot, sisters.

On a related note, I've been on board MAINE recently and got to observe the female JOs operate both the reactor plant and the submarine.

They were as good, if not better, than their male counterparts back aft (better than me when I was a JO). Up forward, they were just as capable (albeit not yet qualified and, therefore, not the best).

12/10/2012 9:54 PM

 
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Anonymous SSN Sailor said...

@Anon 10:57.

Engineer on an SSBN? When you can count your reactor startups and shutdowns (not drills at sea) in triple digits, try leading with that qualifier for your expertise.

That said, I'd agree that these Female submariners probably ran circles around their sniveling male JO boomer counterparts.

Congrats!

12/11/2012 6:11 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh please! Boomer vs Fast Attack. Why don't you go down the path of Ford vs Chevy while you're at it. I've been on both platforms. Each have pros and cons. Each have unique skill sets. And yes, each have superstars and idiots. Grow up you twit.

I can only pray that the women onboard will reign in on the "stupid" the boys play at sea and in command.

Congrats on the newest Dolphins!

12/11/2012 7:31 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can only pray that the women onboard will reign in on the "stupid" the boys play at sea and in command.

And by then the goal will have been fully attained: An average performing, but 100% PC submarine force.

12/12/2012 9:04 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and now begins the downward spiral....and here I was thinking how above average the banter has been on this topic.

BZ to the first three. To the others (men and women), GET HOT!

12/13/2012 6:32 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just jerked off and let it run down on the picture of her face.

How's that for HOT?

Obviously none of you understand sociology to make generic statements about how these folks
"ran circles around their male counterparts".

And when the going gets tough, some of them will just get knocked up when convienient.

12/14/2012 1:29 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

joel, JOs aren't allowed to qualify command.

12/14/2012 4:35 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

itd be weird to see one of them is my dca....most of my guys are pretty strange


MM1

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

@16:35-

You can still get sigs for it. We had an extra exercise weapon once and the CO gave it to our senior JO.

12/18/2012 7:55 PM

 
Anonymous khairul044 said...

And in other news...retired CT busted trying to sell stuff to Russians. Where have we heard this one before?

12/20/2012 2:48 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

13 days ago in the latest post on this blog?

12/20/2012 2:59 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everyone is agreed on how awesome these females are (including myself)... just remember, they are the creme de la creme selected specifically to be the first female submarines... Do you think ADM Donald would have selected schmucks to do this?? i think not. Soon, we will start seeing the bottom of the barrel, as well. Our manning issues can hardly prevent that from happening. That's okay, it'll just even things out. Pretty soon, the new arrivals will start having all the same problems as we already have with females everywhere else in the Navy. Keep in mind, I am all for equal rights and all that. I'm just saying, facts are facts. The Navy continues to have issues with women serving in cramped quarters for extended periods of time with men (and that is in the surface fleet). It will only take so long before it starts to get worse.

12/26/2012 11:23 AM

 
Anonymous Served SSK CO said...

Well done, shipmates.
Let's be honest - it doesn't matter who gives them their fish. They got them not only on their merits but against all the prejudice and ill-informed BS that the regular sky-is-falling chaps that often appear on this blog espouse. Having just finished 23 years and my third command at sea (and a couple of 'honorable' mentions on this forum) I would like to wish these and all new and fellow blue-force dolphin wearers (of whatever sex) fair winds and following seas and offer a bit of humble advice. Not everyone aspires to command, but if you each job to the best of your ability not only will you get command when you are competent, good, and ready, but you will leave a trail of grateful sailors in your path - that's the important bit.
Sometimes stuff will happen, sometimes it will suck, but you are being paid to lead so you have two choices; 1. Do something (that includes not only acting, but delegating upwards - including pestering to make sure your superior acts!) or 2. Do nothing.
If you gravitate to Option 2, throw you dolphins away and resign.
There is obviously a heavy weight on the shoulders of these young ladies, however with maturity from those already wearing their dolphins it shouldn't be any heavier than the weight on any new male submarine officer.
Good luck, shipmates.

12/28/2012 6:53 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

served SSK CO-

Sorry but these women are USNA grads that have every advantage set-up to work in their favor.
Any agnst agaisnt them real or not, would get someone's scrotum kicked in a hurry.
It's reality. They have opportunity afforded them that is not their for their male counterparts.
Sub officers are engineers first. Always. Now throw in all the BS of the Navy and this is where things go awry for many. Some self-inflicted, others unlucky to be assigned to lousy commands.
If you think these women are a pedstal above other men onboard simply because it "must" be so, I can only be thankful that you are no longer active military.
A large percentage of Nuke Officers are not management material. Just to get to a boat, enlisted or officer, shows aptitude. There is meaning to that. Getting dolphins is more an endurance test than a leadership test.
I just feel sorry for the schmuck who will get passed over for whatever duty, promotion, or whatever for the political correctness.
What about those who've qualified and done their time? Since the do not possess a vagina a gash and the monthly bleeding cycle does that make them superior? You're very post shows the problems related to indoctrinated women into a unique environment.
What I find odd it these women will have to knowingly forgo a true family. Unlike men, women have much more maternalistic duties that men don't. I would like to know the psychological profile of the type of women who would even want to be on a boat...

12/30/2012 2:46 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon- Only one of these 3 women is married to a current submariner- who is also a jg (a lot of help that would be). What are the "variety of obvious reasons" this would work to her advantage?

"Doable" comment- Let's be real man, you sound like a loser. Did you really think that was funny or are you just warped? Please be respectful and don't embarrass yourself or submariners any more.

"Obviously none of you understand sociology to make generic statements about how these folks
"ran circles around their male counterparts.""- What? What does sociology have to do with this? I know for a fact that some of these women did run circles around their male counterparts.
Also, keep jerking off on pictures of female submariners because obviously you're an expert in sociology and you've read all of your sociology books and have nothing better to do with your time. Seriously though, you're a degenerate and the world would be a better place without you.

SSK CO- Only one of the three women is a USNA grad so whatever point you were trying to make is moot. Despite a good bit of what you wrote being incomprehensible I think I understand what you were getting at: The smartest and most capable women were selected to spearhead this transition so it is actually very reasonable to believe they will promote faster than some of their male counterparts. You probably have a valid concern that some people will be passed over unfairly when promotion boards come around, but that happens every year for a variety of reasons, even in the submarine community. These women have a long road ahead of them before promotions are even a consideration- some of them, like their male counterparts will burn out after their JO tour and choose to pursue other careers. Others will chose to have a family. Some will go on to take a major command. Considering how small the female population is in the submarine community and training pipeline, I don't think many people should have a huge concern about being unfairly passed over because a woman chose to serve her country on a submarine.

1/03/2013 10:29 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry pal, your paradigms and avoidance of the social differences between men and women can't be ignored. We're talking a submarine environment that is way, way different than just about any facet of the Navy.

Opportunity? Let's start with the fact that they were put on boomers which have schedules and easier to qaulify than a fast boat in/out, yards, DMPs, etc etc.

And since they can ONLY go to SSGN and SSBN billets, that already means guys will lose out on chances to go to Kings Bay or Bangor and off to Groton or Norfold instead. That's not a small deal IMO.

I'd love to sit on their boards to see how hard they were really tested before getting stuff signed off. Heaven help the wardroom should any of these pre-madonnas struggle.

And then what happens when enlisted women enter the fray....
A whole different ballgame. Both in terms of demographics and functionality onboard.

What happens when they have to sleep in the torpedo room? What about in the AM when everyone is waiting to use head/shower and they have to block it off for a couple women?

It's the military, not corporate America. Women don't belong on submarines.

But of course Big Navy will report all is well.

World a better place without me? My my, bitter aren't we. Get over yourself, shipmate.

1/04/2013 4:52 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congratulations.
Now Sonar Techs aren't the only females qualified on the boat.

Some day, I hope my daughter serves under one of you on a Fast Attack.

1/05/2013 4:03 AM

 
Blogger Bubblehead said...

JOs can start their command quals; it's nice to be able to get your exercise torpedo shots signed off as a JO, so you don't have to scramble to do it during your DH tour.

1/26/2013 11:03 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets think about how its going to be when you are about to go on deployment and a female counterpart decides to get pregnant and then doesnt go. Her other counterparts will then have to cover because she didnt want to go on deployment. Look at the surface fleet. They have this same thing happen to them all the time, but they have the manning to cover that we dont. Lets also be honest that when the enlisted females come things will not be fare for there male counterparts. By our own culture we will treat them different. Ive worked with the surface fleet and seen it first hand while on an IA. If we really want to make this work make severe consequences for females getting pregnant during there sea tour and anyone in a leadership position should make sure that there is no difference between there females and there males. If there a DINQ ass NUB then they better be treated as such and not be coddled because of what they have between there legs. But this will not happen and the Submarine force will suffer for it. Not because of the females that do well and are true submariners but because of the ones that are not and get knocked up and screw everyone else.

2/04/2013 3:37 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets think about how its going to be when you are about to go on deployment and a female counterpart decides to get pregnant and then doesnt go. Her other counterparts will then have to cover because she didnt want to go on deployment. Look at the surface fleet. They have this same thing happen to them all the time, but they have the manning to cover that we dont. Lets also be honest that when the enlisted females come things will not be fare for there male counterparts. By our own culture we will treat them different. Ive worked with the surface fleet and seen it first hand while on an IA. If we really want to make this work make severe consequences for females getting pregnant during there sea tour and anyone in a leadership position should make sure that there is no difference between there females and there males. If there a DINQ ass NUB then they better be treated as such and not be coddled because of what they have between there legs. But this will not happen and the Submarine force will suffer for it. Not because of the females that do well and are true submariners but because of the ones that are not and get knocked up and screw everyone else.

2/04/2013 3:37 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets think about how its going to be when you are about to go on deployment and a female counterpart decides to get pregnant and then doesnt go. Her other counterparts will then have to cover because she didnt want to go on deployment. Look at the surface fleet. They have this same thing happen to them all the time, but they have the manning to cover that we dont. Lets also be honest that when the enlisted females come things will not be fare for there male counterparts. By our own culture we will treat them different. Ive worked with the surface fleet and seen it first hand while on an IA. If we really want to make this work make severe consequences for females getting pregnant during there sea tour and anyone in a leadership position should make sure that there is no difference between there females and there males. If there a DINQ ass NUB then they better be treated as such and not be coddled because of what they have between there legs. But this will not happen and the Submarine force will suffer for it. Not because of the females that do well and are true submariners but because of the ones that are not and get knocked up and screw everyone else.

2/04/2013 3:39 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets think about how its going to be when you are about to go on deployment and a female counterpart decides to get pregnant and then doesnt go. Her other counterparts will then have to cover because she didnt want to go on deployment. Look at the surface fleet. They have this same thing happen to them all the time, but they have the manning to cover that we dont. Lets also be honest that when the enlisted females come things will not be fare for there male counterparts. By our own culture we will treat them different. Ive worked with the surface fleet and seen it first hand while on an IA. If we really want to make this work make severe consequences for females getting pregnant during there sea tour and anyone in a leadership position should make sure that there is no difference between there females and there males. If there a DINQ ass NUB then they better be treated as such and not be coddled because of what they have between there legs. But this will not happen and the Submarine force will suffer for it. Not because of the females that do well and are true submariners but because of the ones that are not and get knocked up and screw everyone else.

2/04/2013 3:39 PM

 
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Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am still waiting to find out how the Operational readiness is improved with this social experiment.

3/27/2014 3:33 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Readiness is improved any time the quality of the personnel is improved. I don't know all of the women submarine officers, but I know quite a few, and the ones I know are out to prove that, given an equal chance, they can excel. I can also tell you that an equal chance - not discrimination or preference - is all they want.

4/09/2014 10:25 PM

 

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