Russian Boomer Delayed Again
Remember back in 2006 when the Russian CNO said their first Borey-class SSBN, Yurii Dolgorukii, would be joining the fleet "in the very near future"? Or in 2011, when they said the boat would be put into service with the Pacific Fleet that year? Well, it turns out the Russians are continuing to have technical issues, and they're now claiming they'll get the commissioning done next year. I won't hold my breath.
Still, it's sad that all the NUCs waiting to be awarded to American PacFleet SSNs when the Dolgorukii finally does get out on patrol will be delayed yet again.
Should we LOL @ n00bs, or still be scared of the Russians for some reason?
posted by Bubblehead at 4:41 PM
21 Comments:
looks like thaey really can't get their act together at all.
10/22/2012 6:13 PM
"Should we LOL @ n00bs, or still be scared of the Russians for some reason?"
Underestimating Putin could be a serious mistake; Putin is immune from vagaries of elections cycles of our 2-party paradigm and the policy reversals the U.S. military must undergo.
Putin underscored a military presence in the Arctic in 2007 by planting a Russian flag on the seabed below the North Pole asserting Russia's legal claim. Russia has frequently been described in the media as an energy superpower.
The Putin administration achieved real economic gains averaging 7% per year (2000-2007), making it the world's 7th largest economy (purchasing power). The U.S. seeks strategic arms reductions to 300 warheads.
Some may believe we rarely pay a price for underestimating potential threats, Pearl Harbor notwithstanding. From 2000 to 2010 Russia sold around $1.5 billion worth of arms to Syria, making Damascus Moscow’s seventh-largest client.
Our current military policy (pre-sequestration) is already austerity and retrenchment (6,000 fewer sailors, but women with no unique roles on subs).
Just wonderful; lets stick our heads back in the sand, feel great about overcoming our awful 'military industrial complex', yield even more power to our invisible, legal political complex and become complacent. LOL
10/22/2012 6:26 PM
Some may believe we hardly ever pay a price for undervaluing prospective risks, Gem Harbour despite.
Miami Dodge
10/22/2012 11:58 PM
This morning finds submarines in national news again...this time in a more acceptable way.
10/23/2012 12:00 PM
I am all for respecting the Russians, but I hardly view them, presently, as a potential threat. Unlike Vaginius's constant prattle about women on submarines I favor a more mature view.
That view would be let DIA and ONI count the hulls of potential adversaries, write the Quadrennial Defense Review's Intelligence Estimate, and build as needed. Presently neither Russia or the PRC have fielded any effective holistic naval threats to the USN.
Said another way the United States Navy has been damn effective and making sure that it has NO peers on the high seas.
10/24/2012 6:19 PM
The Russians build their new SSBN for $826 million each. It will cost the USN $5.6 billion apiece to replace the Ohio class according to a Congressional Reporting Service study release one week ago. The SSBN replacement program started in 2007; first boat is scheduled for delivery in 2021.
So who is getting pwned here?
10/25/2012 5:38 AM
Maybe the Russians should start building ours. We could offer $1.2B per boat and still have plenty left over for other stuff.
Heck, why not havet the Chinese build them!
10/25/2012 9:36 AM
blubberhead (yes, anon 6:19 PM is a blubberhead) said "...about women on submarines I favor a more mature view. ... the United States Navy has been damn effective and making sure that it has NO peers on the high seas."
10/25/2012 11:22 AM
@anon from 0538: I'd say that the country that isn't actually maintaining a credible ssbn deterrence is the one getting pwned.
10/25/2012 4:50 PM
@anon 5:38 AM, You can go to sea on that $800 mil Russian death trap. I'll stick with the American safety rating, success and effectiveness.
10/25/2012 5:19 PM
Do you submarine folks think there is any possibility that Israel's Dolphin class was responsible for the attack on the Khartoum weapons factory in Sudan?
http://aviationintel.com/2012/10/26/some-thoughts-on-the-isreali-raid-on-khartum-weapons-factory/
10/26/2012 10:34 AM
До тех пор, пока вы не собираетесь воевать с Россией, бояться вам нечего, бояться вы будете тогда, когда придете с оружием в Россию. Россия побеждала всех, кто пытался ее завоевать. Так было раньше, и так будет всегда.
10/26/2012 2:08 PM
You didn't do so good defending your own homeland against a corrupt dictatorship that lasted nearly 70 years, did you, Товарищ...?
The U.S. never threatened Russia as a country, nor do we today. Your hegemony-centered political system was a threat to the world, and got its ass handed to it...by itself. Joseph Stalin's Great Purge was just the beginning.
But keep on supporting shithouse countries like Iran and Syria, and see where that gets you. Some people never learn.
10/26/2012 3:02 PM
Вы будете рассказывать мне, родившемуся в СССР, историю моей страны? Вам не смешно? СССР была Великая и мощная страна, благодаря которой США не могли безнаказанно развязывать войны в Югославии, Ираке,Ливии и не устанавливали свои порядки в странах третьего мира.
США не только угрожали СССР, но и воевали на ее территории - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War, а Россия (СССР) никогда воевали на территории США, напротив оказывала помощь США в войне за независимость от Англии. А угрозу миру, представляет не Иран с Сирией, а USA.
10/26/2012 4:10 PM
Anon @ 11:22 AM = Non Qual
10/26/2012 7:02 PM
One of my favorite scenes from Patton.
The Russian is the same...so this sort of works for me.
10/26/2012 9:55 PM
Translation via Google:
You tell me, who was born in the Soviet Union, the history of my country? You are not funny? USSR was a great and powerful country, through which the U.S. could not with impunity to unleash war in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, and did not set their own rules in the Third World.
U.S. not only threatened the Soviet Union, but fought on its territory - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War, and Russia (USSR) never fought in the U.S., by contrast has helped in the war for independence from England. A threat to the world, is not Iran and Syria, and the USA
10/27/2012 1:19 PM
Сцена из фильма смешная, я смеялся. У американцев вообще смешное представление о русских, оно, в подавляющем большинстве случаев, не соответствует действительности. Вы интересуетесь историей II мировой войны? Мой дед брал Берлин в 1945 году.
10/27/2012 1:24 PM
Sorry if the translation's not so good, it's the best Google had to offer. Perhaps you'd like to discuss the history of Alaska?
10/27/2012 5:24 PM
No thanks. I do not want to discuss the history of Alaska. I'm interested in the U.S. Navy. I apologize for my English. Translated by Google.
News agencies were told a lot of lies about the Soviet Union. Rate Cartoon, made in the USSR in 1979. Especially for you with English subtitles "Девочка и дельфин" (A girl and a dolphin. Cartoon created in 1979, there is very beautiful music.
10/28/2012 2:49 PM
Let's discuss the worst anthrax accident in history at an illegal biological weapons laboratory then. Soviet, of course.
I was on active duty on submarines in 1979 when the first classified intelligence reports came in.
10/28/2012 6:57 PM
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