Keeping the blogosphere posted on the goings on of the world of submarines since late 2004... and mocking and belittling general foolishness wherever it may be found. Idaho's first and foremost submarine blog. (If you don't like something on this blog, please E-mail me; don't call me at home.)

Friday, April 08, 2005

I Print Unsubstantiated Rumors So You Don't Have To

Word on the street is that Christopher Drew, New York Times columnist who writes about submarines and the co-author of Blind Man's Bluff, is calling people in Guam trying to get ahold of the San Francisco crewmembers who were punished for the recent grounding, and may actually fly there to do interviews. While I haven't been a big fan of some of his earlier San Fran coverage, this newest line of questioning, if true, sounds like he might be angling for more of a "Navy leadership threw these men under the train" type of approach, which I would fully support (the coverage, not the Navy actions.)

Staying at PD...


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Echo your support. There's a difference between responsibility and blame. The 711 Six were willing to accept the first (more or less gracefully). But if there are to be useful lessons learned from the incident, blame, which is different, must be distributed a lot more widely.

4/08/2005 4:30 PM

Blogger CDR Salamander said...

Yep, I'm with you here. I'm still trying to figure this out. After my initial posts on it, I've backed off to let the 1120 Flags sort it out. My bias is still there, but nothing I have seen meshes right with me.

Maybe WWI French general, General Emile Taufflieb, could explain it?

4/08/2005 8:04 PM

Blogger Vigilis said...

Give me a fact (beyond a personalized appreciation of the adversity involved) that makes this NJP decision different, considering loss of life, vessel and mission, from the Navy's usual stance. cdr salamander is right about Gen. Taufflieb, but the actual precendent was set by the army of the Roman Empire. All expectations become well understood beforehand and afterward. The standard is golden. Certainly, one cannot expect mythic "fairness" in life any more than job permanance.

4/08/2005 9:53 PM

Anonymous rebootinit said...

The lessons are already coming out, the fleet will be getting many changes. I can only say that this has changed alot of the procedures that submarines are navigated under. For a few upper level guys, this came too close to home, and in the end, they still got slapped although not publicized. You will not hear about that. Once the official accident investigation is released, it will encompass almost every submarine command, fleet, and commander with action, it even entails navsea, comsubfor, bumed, and a few other biggies. This will change things for years. The nuclear submarine force has been comfortable since 1968, and navsea relaxing requirements during the entire period, this wil affect everything. Some of us active will just watch for the changes as the upper levels make new things and rules to CYA.

4/09/2005 3:30 AM


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