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Tuesday, July 19, 2005

Geek Humor

(Intel Source: Gus Van Horn) I admit it, I'm a geek... but this made me laugh.

Speaking of geeky... since I don't expect a lot of reaction to this one, I'm going to turn the comments into a discussion forum for people who want to discuss the new Harry Potter novel. So --- WARNING --- Harry Potter spoilers possibly in the comments!


Blogger Bubblehead said...

I personally think that Snape is actually still on the side of good, and Dumbledore might still be alive. For some reason, they need Harry to feel absolute hatred for Snape, so that Voldemort can pick up on it... maybe to get Voldemort to trust Snape more?

7/19/2005 10:50 PM

Anonymous chrys said...

Harry who? I like the T-Shirt!

7/19/2005 11:21 PM

Blogger ninme said...

What? No that's way too much. First of all, Hagrid spent the last couple chapters carrying the dead body around, and the funeral was attended by all sorts of canny and magical people who probably would have noticed. Anyway Jo Rowling said on her webpage last year that she was going to kill of a "main character" and that when she wrote that scene she cried. Why would she cry over a character who wasn't really dead? She'd be smiling at her and Dumbledore's craftiness.

As for Snape, she's one of those satisfying writers where everyone gets their commuppence. There's no ridiculous preaching that we have to "love everyone despite their shortcomings" or something stupid like you might find in another book. We didn't like Draco's dad and he ended up being evil. Draco too ends up being evil and we didn't like him (he's young so there's still some hope for him), and so on. So I think given Snape's character and his blinding and unreasonable hatred of Harry's father and friends, I think he's pretty much gone. Unless he has another change of heart, but that would be like in his final moments or something, he'd do something dramatic to save one of the kids, something like that. But I doubt he's bluffing.

Of course Dumbledore kept saying the whole book (I thought it was pretty obvious he was the one going to stuff it, given the circumstances) that there are worse things than dying and that Voldemort's big mistake was in not recognizing that (in other words, Voldemort thinks it would be really swell to kill Dumbledore but Dumbledore laughs at that and thinks "how naive is he" so maybe there's something about him being kind of ...ghosty, or in a painting, or whatever. Along the lines of Star Wars, perhaps, even though that doesn't exist anywhere else in the book and she's pretty good at not making crap up half way through just to get herself out of a sticky spot in the plot.

Btw, apparently someone on Peter's game last night started spamming the ending, and this morning when he got to work a bunch of people were like, "ohmigawd is it true that snape kills dumbledore?!" Jerks.

7/20/2005 3:29 PM

Blogger Bubblehead said...

I'll admit that it's a minority opinion -- even in my house -- but I just can't see Rowling having Dumbledore (who's always struck me as kind of a Gandalf/Aslan-type character) be that wrong about something that important.
Over on the chat boards my kids are reading, they think Dumbledore might have a Horcrux (from when he killed the evil German wizard).

7/20/2005 4:55 PM

Blogger ninme said...

Evil German Wizard?

Sorry, I've only read each book once.

So wouldn't he need to get a body, then? He can't just wait around and snap his fingers when he's ready and be alive again.

And anyway if he did kill an evil German Wizard, wouldn't he have had to murder him in order to tear his soul apart? I doubt souls suffer much in justifiable homicides.


7/20/2005 5:22 PM

Blogger Bubblehead said...

Dumbledore's "Chocolate Frog" card says he's most famous for his defeat of the dark wizard (German name) in 1945.
I was reading Time this morning, and they used the same comparison of Dumbledore to Gandalf and Aslan that I had used, but they brought up an interesting point that I hadn't even considered; both Gandalf and Aslan came back "from the dead". Now, Aslan was a clearly religious reference, and I've always thought Gandalf (as basically an archangel) was pretty much the same, and Rowling says she's never even finished the Narnia Chronicles or Lord of the Rings, but I think there's still hope...

7/21/2005 9:42 AM

Blogger ninme said...


Well what I don't understand is that he's got himself a portrait, and all the other portraits in his office talk and respond and carry on conversations. So why couldn't Sirius have had a portrait for Harry to talk to? Maybe the final book will culminate in a portrait war between Dumbledore (more powerful than you could imagine) kicking all the dead bad-guy's butts.

But I dunno, I just don't think the whole thing fits, because it's more about Harry's emotional progression from childhood to adulthood which took a major step forward in this book in the difference of his reaction to Dumbledore's death to Sirius', whereas Aslan was the whole religious parallels and Gandalf was more about keeping Middle Earth from going up in smoke, Frodo's emotions be damned, y'know? So yeah, I just don't think it's the sort of thing she would pull. Although you're right, she does depend on him a lot in her books. And she actually said in the special features of the...1st dvd, I think, that Hermione and Dumbledore are so convenient because when some obsure fact needs to be pointed out, either of those characters can be the one to say it and you assume that Hermione read it in a book somewhere and Dumbledore just knows it because he's so smart. So I can't imagine the next one or two book(s) without him pointing out all that stuff and providing his wisdom and expertise. But who knows.

I think it's really interesting the reactions. The Mercury News published this big thing on quotes on some forum somewhere (without giving anything away) of all these people saying "I can't believe she did that! She's so mean! She can't do that! What's wrong with her!" I mean, if you don't like the direction a book is taking, you just stop reading. I can't imagine getting mad at an author for the things that happen in her own creation. It's strange.

7/21/2005 11:34 PM

Blogger Bubblehead said...

One thing's for sure: If Rowling doesn't let Neville be the one to give Bellatrix LeStrange her comeupance, I'll be seriously pissed off!

7/24/2005 1:22 AM


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