Submarine News Items And The "Great Qual Card Of Life"
Here are a few stories about submarines and Submariners in the news:
1) Iran says they're starting design work on a nuclear submarine they could build themselves. I think that's a great idea, and they should spend a significant portion of their defense budget for the next several years making a noisy version of a November-class submarine.
2) The cause of the firing of the COB (or "top enlisted officer" according to the AP) on USS Florida (SSGN 728)(Gold) has been revealed following an FOIA request, according to this Navy Times article.
3) The first female submarine officer to get her dolphins got lots of attention from the national media and an article on the Navy website. I'm always glad to see articles highlighting positive achievements from Submariners (one of which LT Christianson now is, beyond any doubt), and I hope the Navy chooses to continue to publish stories about newly-qualified Submariners -- regardless of gender.
Speaking of finishing up one's qual card, I always enjoyed my first Engineer's concept of the "Great Qual Card of Life", as in "Sure, you messed up, but that's just another sig in the Great Qual Card of Life". I've got some decent prac facs signed off (Become a Father, Visit Another Continent, Take a Crazy Cab Ride in Korea), but I still have some left that I'd like to finish off before I head off to the Final Qual Board in the Sky. What signature in the Great Qual Card of Life are you most glad you got signed off?
posted by Bubblehead at 9:02 PM
72 Comments:
The mocking of the shipmate on Florida sounds in line with a lot of things that I've heard on every boat I've served on.
The problem with the culture obviously was that the division failed to stop when directed.
This is an after the fact account, and how strongly the DCA and Chief discouraged the practice will never really be known.
It's sad to see this happen to a new sailor, but also sad to see the detrimental impact the obvious attempt at joking and poking fun had on the crew.
This is just more evidence that the old submarine force where it was ok to weed out the weak in this fashion is long gone.
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MM1/SS
6/23/2012 10:07 PM
LT Christianson is most likely a great officer, but the Navy and higher ups will use her for PR all they can. Its just how it is.
For the most part people in the navy men/women want to do their job, work hard, and be left alone; its the higher ups with this agenda that puts too much pressure and focus on the young officers like LT Christianson.
6/23/2012 10:12 PM
Agree with above.
"Regardless of gender" ? - The Navy has a field day with things like this. Think a Commodore would come down to see dolphins pinned on every male JO? the only better picture would have been if the LT had a "Partner" with her in the picture.
BZ for the LT, but PC Navy exploits these young leaders every way they can. the PC Navy in doing things like this discredit the quality of the young LT's quals by putting a politically motivated connotation with it, even though she most likely deserves none of it.
6/23/2012 10:16 PM
...Missed the photo of the supply corp LT sub-selectees that committed fraud on their travel claims. Where is that picture?
Doubt anything happens to them...male officers/enlisted would have been prosecuted no doubt...well maybe I could have gotten out of it, I'm half hispanic..at least I tell the truth.
This is another case of the Navy using this woman for its own purposes. Being a "hot runner" or getting command advanced as a minority, made all my hard work discredited because of how I looked to some, even though my evals were good, and I genuinely busted tail for everything I got,etc. My friends, Chiefs, officers at the command knew my hard work, but right across the pier the comments came flying without knowing anything about me. Thats the climate the PC Navy has created, Great Job. Mission Accomplished. Congrats to the LT, but once again PC crowd is out pushing their own agenda.
6/23/2012 10:24 PM
This is just more evidence that the old submarine force where it was ok to weed out the weak in this fashion is long gone.
Not that you said otherwise MM1, but this is an improvement in my books.
In this case A-Gang weeded out someone who was "weak" on hazing and good-to-great at submarining (if the article is to be believed).
In the process they ended Master Chief's Berry's seagoing career and probably any chance for going higher than a COMSUBRON staff in the future, which hurts the whole sub force.
I hope it was worth it to those clowns...
6/23/2012 11:21 PM
Just FYI, the supply officers accused of falsified travel claims were kicked off the boats, taken to Admiral's Mast and found guilty. As it was a mast case, and did not involve a CO or COB, you will not be reading about it. This is consistent with past practice. They were not given a 'slap on the wrist', but neither did it require time in Kansas making gravel from large rocks.
I have never seen anyone but the CO on the pier to present fish. That said, it was the first set of supply dolphins presented to a woman in the U.S. Navy. I'm more interested in the first line officer to qualify. Still, BZ to the LT.
As for FLA, the issue was not informing the CO in a case of alleged hazing, and any senior leader should know the rules. "Skipper, this happened, I did the following." And let the CO decide if it needs to go further...or not.
6/24/2012 4:37 AM
@dark cloud: well said. I too await the first female line fish wearer and I hope that the qualification is a "quality" one.
Another former CO
6/24/2012 6:37 AM
Back in the dark ages when I earned my dolphins, the Commodore of SUBGRU SEVEN presented my dolphins, not my CO. Since a Squadron interview was required for an officer to qualify back then, it was appropriate for the Commodore to make the presentation. Unfortunately, I don't remember if that was still the case when I was a CO but I believe that it was. The Qual in Sub letter was signed and delivered by the Commodore. Is this still the case? I hope so.
6/24/2012 9:25 AM
Qual card:
- Shore duty in Subic Bay as a QM2...a lot of practical factors signed off!
- Three young ladies and myself until my shipmate showed up...then it was your basic orgy (without crossing swords, although there may have been some bumping)!
6/24/2012 9:32 AM
CO usually pins (unless someone higher up is riding) after the concurrence of SQD for line officers. Also, he/she has to be observed by another ship's CO or served CO (usually the deputy or commodore) before the card is bottom lined.
6/24/2012 10:20 AM
The hazing incident on the Florida is complete BS. I have been so proud of my fellow submariners because I though that they were better than the surface and aviation people. I always bragged about how we are so much more mature when it comes to issues like this. I always thought that we were the most tolerant community in all aspects of human life.
I was on a boat a few years ago and we had no less than 2 sailors that were openly gay; both forward and aft. Everyone respected each other’s lifestyle. I was also onboard before they were allowed to be openly gay. Every single person on board was absolutely fine with the fact that they worked with gay people.
I am embarrassed that kind of behavior was happening on the Florida.
6/24/2012 10:54 AM
This was more than a gay issue, the guy was weak and not going to pass the rite of becoming a submariner. However, gay is the flavor of the day(no pun intended) and the force had to set an example based on the political environment. Oh well, someone had to lose.
6/24/2012 11:04 AM
On my 688 in Pearl Harbor circa 1990, our E-Div Chief was almost certainly gay and everyone in the crew knew it. He was also one of the most dedicated and talented sailors with whom I ever had the chance to serve, and was ranked as the #1 CPO two of his three years onboard. In the Submarine Force, the bottom line used to be that if you were really good, nobody much cared what you did in your spare time as long as it did not impair your peformance.
6/24/2012 11:46 AM
Same boat, same time frame, we had two YNCs. One was gay and the other wasn't. Both were useless as tits on a boar hog, and both were equally resented for taking up valuable oxygen.
I've served with some excellent YNs and PNs, but those two guys didn't make the list.
6/24/2012 11:49 AM
LT Christianson is actually the 4th female to qualify in submarines. The first 3 were ED options and she's a Chop. The unrestricted line officer qual process is longer and much more rigorous. But congratulations for being the first female supply corps officer to wear a set of dolphins.
6/24/2012 4:02 PM
In the mid 80's we had a female doctor ride us to finish her paper on submarine nutrition... she sat at the first table in the mess decks and wrote down what each of us ate each meal. She rode the three weeks during the run up to an OT. If memory serves she was a LCDR and bunked with the XO. After our run she came down right before our change of command and the CO pinned medical dolphins on her due to her paper. We were amazed that that was all she had to do, we had a real doc onboard who qualified DOOW and got his medical dolphins at the same time, but he came to us from a tour with the Marines.
6/24/2012 4:27 PM
She is not the "first female submarine officer to get her dolphins" she is the first female supply officer to earn her supply corp dolphins. Major distinction, and she should not forget that or let her qualification go to her head. Women have earned specialized dolphins in the past (she is not the first), so this is not as major an accomplishment as it is being made to be. When the first female 1120 is pinned, then let me know, and we can call her the first (fully) qualified female submarine officer.
6/24/2012 4:31 PM
I don't think Supply Corps Dolphins are the same as the URL Dolphins. It's nice, but no. Also, there is no longer the requirement that another CO or ISIC must verify your knowledge before you get your dolphins, unless it was recently reinstated.
WRT the COB firing, it's sad that one sailor getting taunted (not really hazed) is enough to fire a COB and probably halt the CO's career progress. Sometimes, that kind of stuff, if harmless, allows for some self-correction be the 1 or 2 sailors in each command that apparently have no common sense and do dumb stuff.
Example: If you leave disposable cameras out at a CO hail and farewell, don't let your wife be the first one to see the pictures. Lesson learned.
6/24/2012 4:38 PM
Congrats to CHOP Christianson.
As far as Florida goes, the article is about what you'd expect from Navy Times. Punishment-wise, the whole situation smells fishy. "Appropriate administrative action"?? The full-bird CO (who, to be fair, is a top-shelf Officer) is still in command, the XO just went to OPNAV, and Chris Berry, who is a goddamn good Chief, is going home. My first question is where was the ALCPO for all of this?
6/24/2012 5:55 PM
In this case A-Gang weeded out someone who was "weak" on hazing and good-to-great at submarining (if the article is to be believed).
Umm, I beg to differ. If the guy can't hack some VERBAL abuse, I don't care how much he knows, he won't be able to hack it when the shit hits the fan.
6/24/2012 6:08 PM
Give him verbal abuse for not knowing DC equipment locations, or how the scrubbers work, or any other basic facet of submarining. THAT is part of our heritage that we shouldn't let go. BUT harassing someone based on race, color, creed, gender, religion, or orientation has no place in today's Submarine Force.
6/24/2012 6:31 PM
Are you kidding? He was not harassed based on sexuality. That is how it was portrayed by the media but not what really happened at all. He was calling his shipmates names and joking with them the same as they did with him. I was there and that is what really happened.
6/24/2012 7:09 PM
Oh yea? So how'd this go all the way up to ISiC and lead to a COB firing? You might've thought it was harmless ribbing but at least one person disagrees.
6/24/2012 7:53 PM
@ 6/24 1831
Strongly disagree. The chronic stress of peer exclusion and ridicule is apples and oranges to the acute stress of getting an extinguisher or hose on a fire. Put more simply, running into a fire on adrenaline is a world apart from dreading everytime you have to sit at a table in crew's mess.
And until you actually have a real fire on your boat, you should refrain from commenting on what personality traits you think make someone reliable in a casualty. I promise you that you are wrong.
6/24/2012 8:01 PM
@ 6/24 1831
Strongly disagree. The chronic stress of peer exclusion and ridicule is apples and oranges to the acute stress of getting an extinguisher or hose on a fire. Put more simply, running into a fire on adrenaline is a world apart from dreading everytime you have to sit at a table in crew's mess.
And until you actually have a real fire on your boat, you should refrain from commenting on what personality traits you think make someone reliable in a casualty. I promise you that you are wrong.
6/24/2012 8:01 PM
@ 6/24 1831
Strongly disagree. The chronic stress of peer exclusion and ridicule is apples and oranges to the acute stress of getting an extinguisher or hose on a fire. Put more simply, running into a fire on adrenaline is a world apart from dreading everytime you have to sit at a table in crew's mess.
And until you actually have a real fire on your boat, you should refrain from commenting on what personality traits you think make someone reliable in a casualty. I promise you that you are wrong.
6/24/2012 8:01 PM
@ 6/24 1831
Strongly disagree. The chronic stress of peer exclusion and ridicule is apples and oranges to the acute stress of getting an extinguisher or hose on a fire. Put more simply, running into a fire on adrenaline is a world apart from dreading everytime you have to sit at a table in crew's mess.
And until you actually have a real fire on your boat, you should refrain from commenting on what personality traits you think make someone reliable in a casualty. I promise you that you are wrong.
6/24/2012 8:02 PM
@ 6/24 1831
Strongly disagree. The chronic stress of peer exclusion and ridicule is apples and oranges to the acute stress of getting an extinguisher or hose on a fire. Put more simply, running into a fire on adrenaline is a world apart from dreading everytime you have to sit at a table in crew's mess.
And until you actually have a real fire on your boat, you should refrain from commenting on what personality traits you think make someone reliable in a casualty. I promise you that you are wrong.
6/24/2012 8:02 PM
@ 6/24 1831
Strongly disagree. The chronic stress of peer exclusion and ridicule is apples and oranges to the acute stress of getting an extinguisher or hose on a fire. Put more simply, running into a fire on adrenaline is a world apart from dreading everytime you have to sit at a table in crew's mess.
And until you actually have a real fire on your boat, you should refrain from commenting on what personality traits you think make someone reliable in a casualty. I promise you that you are wrong.
6/24/2012 8:03 PM
@ 6/24 1831
Strongly disagree. The chronic stress of peer exclusion and ridicule is apples and oranges to the acute stress of getting an extinguisher or hose on a fire. Put more simply, running into a fire on adrenaline is a world apart from dreading everytime you have to sit at a table in crew's mess.
And until you actually have a real fire on your boat, you should refrain from commenting on what personality traits you think make someone reliable in a casualty. I promise you that you are wrong.
6/24/2012 8:03 PM
So stupid that you post the same comment six times = probably not a submariner.
6/24/2012 9:06 PM
And until you actually have a real fire on your boat, you should refrain from commenting on what personality traits you think make someone reliable in a casualty. I promise you that you are wrong.
Umm, I have been there - several times - and 99% of the time you know BEFOREHAND who can hack it and who can't. Some pussy who can't take being called a homo (whether he is or isn't) couldn't handle it. Period.
BTW, your posting six times, either you're a computer illiterate or you're an offended cocksucker.
6/24/2012 9:11 PM
"BTW, your posting six times, either you're a computer illiterate or you're an offended cocksucker."
Wait a minute, your confused...that is me?
6/24/2012 9:54 PM
I'm disappointed by all the submariners who are convinced that this is just a PC move and not an actual problem.
Who gets to decide who deserves to wear dolphins? The 19-Year MM1? The 1-year MMFN(SS)? When you let guys at the division level run free, you're going to get the whole gamut of training, some of which is just plain bullying. And just because you don't like a guy, doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to earn his dolphins just like the rest of us.
6/25/2012 10:03 AM
All these sad jackasses who think the guy deserved to be treated like crap, or that he somehow "couldn't hack it..."
Couldn't hack what? Surviving an attempted rape at knife point? Hell, the mere fact that it was only "attempted" despite the fact the other guy had a f'ng weapon tells me enough about whether or not this guy can deal with stress. A REAL F'ing submarine crew and a REAL division wouldn't have rested until they found the guilty individual and beat him beyond an inch of his life. (Some of the reporting insinuates that the rape attempt was by a crew member - it looks from the article posted here that it wasn't ship's force, but a filipino employee of something-or-other on the island). Instead, these idiot POS excuses for wanna-be submariners make the victim's life miserable - AFTER BEING TOLD TO KNOCK IT OFF. Who are the non-hackers? The buddy-fuckers in his division who refused to do the right thing and support their nub, that's who. And the rest of you clowns? There are no words to describe my contempt. Get real.
6/25/2012 11:25 AM
@6/25 11:25
Thank you for saying that.
6/25/2012 12:31 PM
I find it interesting the division spoken by some regarding the quality of qualification. Yes there are differences in communities but... People "Qualify in Submarines" only after a board, under the leadership of a line officer, says so and the CO (another line guy remember) confers the title.
So chops and doctors are really "not qualified"? Who says? Was it the line officer that signed the qual card or maybe it was the one that chaired the board? Maybe it's the line officer that actually pinned on the fish. Is that they way line officers qualify submariners? If people aren't "Qualified in Submarines" like their certificate says, then there’s rampant lying in the line community.
Like the sicker says, "Life is simple - either you're qualified or you're not!"
6/25/2012 1:06 PM
At 1:06 -
Chop dolphins, EDO dolphins, and Medical dolphins are absolutely not the same thing as URL dolphins (or enlisted dolphins). Docs don't even have to qualify a watch. Chops just CC. There sure as hell ain't no Chop fish on any copy of that quote I have ever seen.
6/25/2012 2:19 PM
Re: FLA
Where was that division when the guy got jumped? Why was he alone in a foreign port? That division let him down in so many ways.
6/25/2012 2:21 PM
My dolphins mean I'm more qualified than you. What next, little shiny stars for each boat you qualify on? Gheezzz
6/25/2012 2:35 PM
My dolphins mean I'm more qualified than you. What next, little shiny stars for each boat you qualify on? Gheezzz
As said before by someone else, if you think CHOP, DOC or any other Hocus Pocus fish are the real deal, I'm guessing you were one of them, or you're LT Leztwat.
6/25/2012 7:19 PM
Just read Running Critical, holy shit the LA class had some serious growing pains. good thing we never went to war with them
6/25/2012 7:59 PM
Sometimes this blog gets quite silly.
Nobody can (or at least should) try to directly compare a pair of 1120 dolphins to those for a CHOP, a DOC, an EDO, etc. They clearly aren't the same thing. But the CHOP's dolphins certify that the CHOP has learned enough about subs TO DO HIS/HER JOB. That deserves respect from the rest of us.
A recent COMNAVSEA had ED dolphins. He went to sea and learned enough about submarines to do his job. He also got 2 Master's degrees and taught at MIT as a JO. He was responsible for construction of Seawolf and was responsible for the Virginia design before advancing to head NAVSEA. And while you might find some faults with Virginia's design, most seem to think he did a good job. But he would never equate his dolphins with a line officer's dolphins. They are not the same thing. But I sure respect him for going to sea to get them and clearly his submarine experiences helped him to do his job.
So let's applaud LT Christianson for passing a major milestone and not berate her that she "only" got CHOP dolphins.
6/26/2012 6:27 AM
"He also got 2 Master's degrees and taught at MIT as a JO." If you're referring to Paul Sullivan, he was an O-5 at MIT in 1989, running the ED grad school program there.
6/26/2012 9:02 AM
"Anonymous said...
Re: FLA"
Where was his division? They were where they were supposed to be. the "victim" ditched his buddy and left a bar with this guy. The navy times didn't bother to report that he was out of bounds and changed his story every time he told it. And that he was punched by a shipmate only because he grabbed the guys nuts. Get the real fucking story before you comment.
6/26/2012 12:59 PM
As I suspected from the get-go, the guy really was a fag and couldn't handle the comments.
6/26/2012 4:06 PM
Well, if the FLA sailors posting are right, defending A Div, and the COB knew about even one instance and failed to inform the CO about possible hazing, then TSSBP.
There are alot of things you can take care at the COB level, as long as you fully understand your bounds, and just give a short debrief now and then. It's called Communications - it makes the Command Team function well
6/26/2012 5:32 PM
Any of you "Submariners" who are even trying to defend what happened to the non qual victim, should watch "Lord of the Flies"
That behavior has no place in the military (even the army!)
Helping and guiding Non-Quals is called "mentoring", not "HAZING"
6/26/2012 5:40 PM
The problem with this "hazing" incident is that you cannot trust the investigation. They are not about to report anything other than that the guy was a squared away hot-runner considering the current atmosphere where nothing but praise is to be shown homosexuals and nothing but scorn for anyone who does not go along with the charade. The incident has to be viewed in light of the current corrupt political atmosphere. In that respect we now live in the Soviet States of America.
I served at the height of the cold war with insane deployment schedules. We were all fast attack tough. Everyone caught some flack when they got on board as the crew sized you up. The ONLY ones who really caught hell were the total fuckups. You could even get away with being a bit of a fuckup but not a total one. I found that the best way to show your contempt for these types was to totally ignore them; don't even acknowledge their presence. No doubt these days the brass will try and force camaraderie, that is just how stupid the people currently running the show are. God help us should the day come when the Navy faces another adversary the likes of the Soviet Navy.
6/26/2012 6:19 PM
Helping and guiding Non-Quals is called "mentoring", not "HAZING"
There's also a duty to ensure prissy-britches has the psychological makeup to handle ANY stress that might come up. If he can't handle being called a homo, pole-smoker, pillow-biter, fag, cock-sucker . . . after he was out trolling for some dude, HE DOES NOT HAVE THE PSYCHOLOGICAL FORTITUDE TO BE ABOARD A SUBMARINE. PERIOD.
6/26/2012 6:41 PM
Pushing someone to see if they'll fold like a wet rag when TSHTF is one thing. Calling them a fag nonstop is bull.
Please note the difference.
6/26/2012 7:34 PM
That is not what they did. The navy times and the associated press made this anti gay not the sailors involved.
6/26/2012 8:48 PM
@portnstarboard
You make a few reasonable points, but you served at the height of the Cold War? That puts you at least fifty or so. Fact is, you still sound like that bitter twenty-five yearold nuc. Move on, man; you're supposed to have an idea how the real world works by now. Peace.
6/26/2012 10:02 PM
@ Mark/MM1
"You make a few reasonable points..."
And you make none at all but simply engage in the ad hominem.
My eyes are fully open. That is the problem.
6/26/2012 10:20 PM
At 12:59
I am the anon you quote and you prove my point. If this guy was brand new and so junior why was he alone in a foreign port? Why did he go "out of bounds"? How did he ditch his liberty buddy? A guy that junior should be too scared to do all of that if properly educated by his sea dad, LPO, or Chief. I made no comment or reference about anyone getting punched, I am fully aware that we do not have all of the facts.
6/27/2012 12:56 AM
portnstarboard or is it "Lids" for short?
You counter with an ad feminam which is unnecessary. What is your point?
6/27/2012 1:25 AM
Pentagon holds first gay pride event
First two paragraphs:
The Pentagon on Tuesday saluted open gays in the ranks, with a civilian lawyer calling on fellow homosexuals to “stretch a little” and become more visible inside the military in the drive for benefits for same-sex couples.
“We need to be as visible as we can be,” Gordon Tanner, principal deputy general counsel of the Air Force, said at the Defense Department’s first gay pride event. “Let us be a bridge to our straight allies.”
Really? I thought these fags only wanted to be left alone. As usual it's about them being able to flaboyantly prance around and revel in their buggery. What next, a rainbow ribbon?
6/27/2012 6:42 AM
SAPR, coming to you soon via MMTT. If you don't know of this useless PCBS, you will soon enough. Thanks for and effeminating the military.
6/27/2012 7:46 AM
Would you guys quit whining about the gays already? It's been almost a year already, and NOTHING bad has happened.
God, what a bunch of whiny-assed pussies. I'd rather have them on board than you pitful excuses for "manly mens."
6/27/2012 8:45 AM
HE DOES NOT HAVE THE PSYCHOLOGICAL FORTITUDE TO BE ABOARD A SUBMARINE. PERIOD.
And who gets to decide that, you? Unless you're the COB, Captain, or the Dolphin Board members you have no right to make that decision.
If he can't hack it, prove it with his LOK and performance during drills, not be being a dick and thinking you're the defender of submarine expertise.
6/27/2012 9:55 AM
I had the good fortune to work for a brief period with one of the female URL sub selectees who was medically disqualified out of Prototype. I met few people as enthusiastic and dedicated to their work as she was, and it is a loss to the submarine force that she will not be going to a boat. The first female officers on any boat will naturally be outcasts no matter how much attempt is made to accomodate them. Anyone who can get all the quals they need and get through their qual board in that kind of environment deserves to get their fish.
6/27/2012 10:50 AM
outcasts no matter how much attempt is made to accomodate them.
And therein lies the problem.
6/27/2012 2:43 PM
Ok, I will be the one who says it. Let's stop talking about females in the submarine force. There is nothing impressive what so ever about them doing something thousands have done before and will continue to do. Sure someone has to be the first, but who really gives a f#%@. Go to work, do your best, shut the f%&@ up about yourself. Oh yeah, don't even act like the females aren't the ones continually tooting their proverbial horns. Been there, seen that! For all those who thought it was a great idea to let women into the submarine force, I am sure I will see your names on petitions to get women into the SEALS, Rangers, and any other group they are not currently allowed in. If not, why?
6/27/2012 4:33 PM
For all those who thought it was a great idea to let women into the submarine force, I am sure I will see your names on petitions to get women into the SEALS, Rangers, and any other group they are not currently allowed in. If not, why?
“If we determine that we’re going to allow women to go into infantry and be successful, they’re probably at some time going to have to go to Ranger School.” - Army Gen. Raymond T. Odierno
(aka Just Another Perfumed Pentagon Prince)
6/27/2012 5:15 PM
"For all those who thought it was a great idea to let women into the submarine force, I am sure I will see your names on petitions to get women into the SEALS, Rangers, and any other group they are not currently allowed in."
Provided the job requirements remain otherwise unchanged, hell yes I'd sign that.
6/27/2012 5:24 PM
A real submariner would try to show that he is gayer than the gay guys.
6/27/2012 5:42 PM
If not, why?
Because riding a boat, pushing buttons and getting soft AIN'T the same thing as infantry or Spec War. If you disagree, I suggest you put in your transfer chit.
6/27/2012 5:43 PM
If a lady can shoot, eat snakes, and otherwise wreak havoc, maybe she should be given a chance in the infantry or SEALS.
BTW, nobody credible uses the term "transfer chit!"
6/27/2012 7:18 PM
If a lady can shoot, eat snakes, and otherwise wreak havoc, maybe she should be given a chance in the infantry or SEALS.
Except that she can't as evidenced by the already in place differing PT standards.
6/27/2012 7:36 PM
"Back in the dark ages when I earned my dolphins, the Commodore of SUBGRU SEVEN presented my dolphins, not my CO. Since a Squadron interview was required for an officer to qualify back then, it was appropriate for the Commodore to make the presentation. Unfortunately, I don't remember if that was still the case when I was a CO but I believe that it was. The Qual in Sub letter was signed and delivered by the Commodore. Is this still the case? I hope so."
On the NYC, the CHOP finally qualified and the then Commodore of CSS-7 pinned his dolphins on while throwing his aviators wings on the deck in a bad joke. This was in the late 80's.
6/28/2012 11:17 AM
If you are going to FYI someone you should at least get your facts right one was found not guilty at all. One was it was determined she should have known it was wrong and recieved at letter of instruction and the last was found guilty.
5/23/2013 9:01 PM
Really like that makes a hill beans. Are you an 1120? How about you get some enlisted dolphins? Can you actually bring the fire main online? Can you rain a mast besides the scope? Can you replace a parker check valve. Can you run sonar, line up radio for pd, put a fish in the tube..... then how dare you in anyway say she is less then qualified?
5/23/2013 9:15 PM
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