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Saturday, March 31, 2012

USS Florida (Gold) COB Relieved

From SUBGRU 10 Public Affairs:
The chief of the boat of USS Florida (SSGN 728) (Gold) was relieved of duty March 30 by the commander of Submarine Squadron 16, at Kings Bay, Ga.
Capt. Stephen Gillespie relieved Master Chief Machinist's Mate (SS) Charles Berry, due to dereliction of duty while assigned as the chief of the boat.
During an investigation surrounding allegations of hazing onboard Florida (Gold), Berry was found to have neglected his duties as a leader. While not involved in the alleged hazing, it was determined Berry had knowledge of the alleged events and failed to take action and inform his chain of command.
The Navy's standards for personal behavior are very high and it demands that Sailors are treated with the dignity and respect they deserve. When individuals fall short of this standard of professionalism and personal behavior, the Navy will take swift and decisive action to stop undesirable behavior, protect victims, and hold accountable those who do not meet its standards.
Berry has been temporarily assigned to Submarine Squadron 16 in Kings Bay, Ga.
Command Master Chief (SS) Brett Prince will assume the duties as chief of the boat for USS Florida (Gold). Prince was scheduled to relieve Berry in April.
Word on the street is that Master Chief Berry was one of the good guys. Is this an example of PC culture run amok, or a case where the crew didn't understand the new reality? Or both?


Anonymous Gannon McHale YN2(SS) said...

I remain convinced that the Submarine Navy has morphed into something that I no longer recognize and, sadly, would NOT wish to participate in! WAY too "Regular Navy" to suit me....everything we hated about "Skimmers" seems to be the norm these days...marching in SubSchool, strange, unnecessary non-Navy uniforms, "Leadership" classes that smack too much of Religious instruction....and there are WAY too many people being relieved for "derelection of duty"...exactly WHOSE definition of duty is being applied?

3/31/2012 4:32 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...


3/31/2012 4:50 PM

Blogger Roy said...

Bloody hell! Why anybody would stay in today's Navy is beyond me.

3/31/2012 5:16 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I stay because I care about my country and my Navy. Here's to you, Chris.

3/31/2012 5:25 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've served with MMCM Berry over the years. I can't think of a harder working, more honest, care for my sailors Chief anywhere. When you see great Americans like Chris Berry getting fired and having their face plastered on the front of the Navy times, I shake my head and wonder if we are promoting the right thing (a bunch of yes men who lack the courage to make things right). Shake my head and wonder about all the years I and other honorable men around me have put in to make/keep the submarine force at the top of the game.

3/31/2012 6:05 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess the following concept applies at all levels, "Don't be the senior man with a secret". It is amazing to see how the Navy has changed in the past 3 decades. Beards...Gone, Dungarees...Gone, Crossing the line ceremonies....Gone, CPO initiations....Gone. Very soon the Navy will go the way of the Chair Force and we will all be calling each other by their first names and hanging around the office punching a time clock. We Submarine Sailors of the Cold War era had a mission that was life or death for all involved. I am amazed to see the levels to which the 'holier than thou' Senior Leadership can derail a sailors career without an investigation. Retirement here I come.

3/31/2012 6:26 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anon @ 3/31/2012 6:26 PM - AMEN!!!!!!! Excellent thought!!!

I guess it's time to make a new flag officer to be Director, PC Navy

3/31/2012 6:35 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Navy has become too politically correct over the years. I'm glad I got out before it got too bad.

3/31/2012 6:42 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I am amazed to see the levels to which the 'holier than thou' Senior Leadership can derail a sailors career without an investigation."

Oh, there was an investigation. More than one, actually. This was about a year in the making.

Chris Berry is absolutely one of the good guys. Perfect and without fault? No, and he'd be the first person to tell you that. I wasn't there for the whole thing, and I know there are things he wishes he'd done differently, but a lot of people think the powers that be went a little high and right with this one.

Chris, if you should ever read this, rest assured that you've left your legacy. And that legacy sure as shit won't be "guy who got relieved early". It will be "guy who made a difference in a lot of people's lives and careers". Sad to see you go, shipmate, and I wish the ball would have bounced differently for you.

3/31/2012 6:43 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said... Is the link to how things should have been done to fire a COB. Based on my experience with Kings Bay, I doubt any of the admin has been done yet. It will lag behind by a month or so (at best).I doubt para 3c was done at all. Chris is probably too good a guy to make more waves, but if he submitted a statement it would probably have enough data to bury the xo/co too.

3/31/2012 6:45 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anon @ 3/31/2012 6:45 PM

The DFC process does not happen until after all appeals are complete. Chris can still appeal the results. Once the initial discipline occurs any CO, XO, or COB gets relieved and as a "public figure" the Navy reports the actions to the press. He is a great guy but don't know the details, heard the discipline just happened this week.

3/31/2012 7:29 PM

Blogger Old Man from the Sea said...

I have also known Chris Berry for some time, and concur with the comments posted above with respect to his character and work ethic.

This is a sad reflection on the submarine force that a good man is hauled through the mud just before his scheduled relief. I am certain that serving with Master Chief Berry provided a positive impact in the lives of many of his Sailors. This is sad conclusion to a tour that included Operation Odyssey Dawn .

What the have we become?

3/31/2012 7:48 PM

Blogger Srvd_SSN_CO said...

MMCM(SS) Berry is an outstanding American, submariner, and shipmate. I'll sail with him anytime, anywhere.

3/31/2012 8:05 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ditto an what a great American Chris is. Guam tough, not made for the PC CYA Trident world. He made things better for a lot of sailors. Better things are to come, God speed brother.

3/31/2012 8:37 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Master Chief Berry: The Best COB I have ever observed on the job. He is the Sailors ADVOCATE.
Just some of his recent history;
Called to duty from across the World to relieve in (very short notice) a Command in need of LEADERSHIP where NO standards, formality or simple basic submarining were followed. At that time he had 16 years in service and he turned that command around. From that unit several senior enlisted have become COBs.
Then he was chosen to lead the USS Florida, a ship that has done an outstanding job since his arrival after relieving another OUTSTANDING COB.
Apparently we forget that he is a TRUE Submarine War Hero. Called out by Admirals, not many COBs can be recognized as such.

Chris, keep your head up HIGH.

Fellow Master Chief.

3/31/2012 8:51 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have known MMCM Berry for a while and I know for a fact that he truly loves the Navy and protects his crew. MMCM Berry is a great master chief "did do something" unlike what the article said. The many young sailors that you have guided and led will always remember you.

3/31/2012 8:56 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chris, you got an in-coming voice comm on Monday. You should of stayed on Guam shipmate!
Keep your head up. God bless my friend!
Got any more 2-Lima's? 8)


3/31/2012 10:27 PM

Blogger Curt said...

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4/01/2012 6:42 AM

Blogger Curt said...

It's not easy being Fast Attack Tough in Kings Bay!

I encourage Chris to see the process through, and at some point, publish the paperwork.

The truth will set you free.
Going Ashore

4/01/2012 6:46 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe I'm missing something.

What was his role as COB in the hazing incident? Specifically, I mean.

4/01/2012 6:58 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where was the XO? Where were the other CPOs? The Dept CPO?

You can't keep a secret on a submarine if the Khakis are doing their job with effective deckplate leadership instead of working on a computer in a stateroom or goat locker.

They had to know too and should be held accountable in either case!

4/01/2012 7:32 AM

Blogger Mike Mulligan said...

OK, the only bitch left unsaid: It's Obama's and liberals fault...

Come on, you know you wanted to say it.

4/01/2012 12:55 PM

Anonymous 3383 said...

The other khakis were apparently better at CYA.

Was there only 1 supervisor judged to have offended? At a level requiring relief? And nobody else knew anything?

4/01/2012 12:59 PM

Anonymous mark/MM1(ss) said...

very classy Mulligan, pick a fight with posts that haven't been made - and you wonder why you are universally mocked on here...

4/01/2012 1:08 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have almost written this post several times in the last few years. It's long so please bear with me.
I spent 17 years riding and fixing fast boats out of Pearl. Qualified everthing except OOD (non-nuc) and everthing including Docking Officer in the shipyard. I too was told don't go to Bangor and didn't listen. This was just after Desert Storm and Tailhook. What I found was the biggest bunch of PC over their shoulder looking khakis I ever encountered. Before I transfered, I went out on one of my old boats for 5 mo. on 5 days notice. The boat had bilged 2 ORSEs,had 2 qualified dives(including the chop),had new EDEA, new M-div chief, new RC chief, and a new RM chief. We filled the gap for the boats that went west for Desert Storm. The skipper wanted me to train his control room parties on basics. Going to PD, high speed ops etc. (Why that head valve that sticks occasionally is a PROBLEM that needs fixed). On the way home the boat passed an ORSE with flying colors and completed all her ops.
I was told by the COS at grp 9 that all that didn't count for anything up at Bangor they were a differnt Navy. I replied that I thought that was what it was ALL about and immediately decided that was it. I walked.
I see the new Force and it makes me wander. The boats can accomplish anything assigned. But at what cost? Will that person save the boat while I sleep? Will that douche cause a casualty but look good doing it?
I have high hopes that the Force will survive when I read posts by other retired chiefs and officers who stil know what submarining is all about. I know that Chris Berry, hagar, rubber duck, served ssn co, curt and others have all planted the seeds of excellence that I hope keep things together.
I'm done.


(with thanks to (on second thought deleted) and a host of other "boat sailors")

4/01/2012 1:12 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Florida is in King's Bay, so what does "leadership" culture in Bangor have to do with anything?

4/01/2012 2:56 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Same culture, same Trident mafia.


4/01/2012 3:29 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

How on Earth could a command climate in today's Navy allow another hazing incident? This can only be the surface of the story. What happened to the rest of the CoC?

4/01/2012 3:59 PM

Blogger Mike Mulligan said...

It's because i tell the truth!

4/01/2012 4:53 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about the CO and XO. I find it intersting that the CO and XOs continue to escape these incidents without harm. Sure an NPLOR is hard to swallow, until you transfer and it you know it won't follow you. So in today's Navy a submarine CO can be relieved for a cheating scandal that involves those in the engineroom, but if a hazing incident is in the forward/missile compartment or your COB is having sex with a midshipman you receive a pass. I think its time that some CO and XOs get fired if they are letting the COB get away with all this tomfoolery. Command is absolute! Too bad we have changed the definition to suite the careers of some officers.

4/01/2012 5:50 PM

Blogger SJV said...

Not sure we've heard what the "tomfoolery" was yet. What I see is an unanimous vote that says this guy was a good COB. Some level of hazing is healthy, and putting the stress of it on a crew helps cull out those that will crack when the crap hits the fan. Better to find out when you dump coffee grounds down his shorts than when you have flooding and you need him to not crawl into a corner and cry.

4/01/2012 6:20 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love how everyone is calling for the CO and XO's heads.

According to this logic, every time there's a problem on a boat, we should expect to see 3 people get fired.

Or maybe we could just find the person most likely to have knowledge of the incident and hold him accountable.

4/01/2012 7:37 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I experienced two significant hazing incidents while serving as XO. In the second, an unqualified petty officer went AWOL due to stress over what had occurred (simulated anal sex by a couple of qualified guys during a qual checkout). The non-qual called me the next day and asked to meet the COB and me at a neutral site to discuss his version of what had happened (it was his first communication with the boat since going AWOL). Both qualified guys denied his story. During the investigation, one of the qualified guys made a statement, directly related to the crux of the non-qual's story, that I knew was a complete lie. Subsequently, the qualified guys were found guilty at mast. A few months later, one of my yeoman detached from the boat. During his checkout interview, he volunteered that the two qualified guys had done the exact same thing to him (and many others).

Although I don't know the details of the alleged incident on the Florida, it is my opinion that there is hazing and then there is hazing. Just because someone's feelings are hurt shouldn't make it an actionable offense. Then again, when someone's health is endangered or where they are so impacted that they choose to go AWOL as opposed to face the perpetrators, that's another story. I hope that the Florida's COB didn't lose his career over somebody's hurt feelings.

4/01/2012 7:54 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Command "TEAM" is comprised of three - CO, XO, & COB (CMC). There should be enough responsibility, accountiblilty, and BLAME to stop this BS,....Oh well, PC.

4/01/2012 8:32 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...(simulated anal sex by a couple of qualified guys during a qual checkout)."

Oh, it was just simulated. Call me when you have seen the real thing underway.

Had a SCPO friend of mine just last week tell me of a non-qual on his boat that was given "two free sigs" on his qual card because two of his other checkouts during the week were too hard and took up too much of his time. The XO/COB didn't want the non-qual to fall behind because it caused a lot of stress!!??

WTF??? It's called being dink! There is supposed to be stres. Not everyone can be a winner...some have to lose. And...Nubs don't have too much time.

Glad to be retired!

4/01/2012 8:37 PM

Anonymous Bullshit sniffer-outer said...

"XO" at 4/01/2012 7:54 PM

You lost me at AWOL. Unless this is an XO thing, any legitimate Sailor would have used the appropriate terminology/acronym, UA.

4/01/2012 8:57 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also to the purported "xo", there is no finding of guilt or innocence at Mast. It is Non-judicial. You are found to have committed the offenses to which you are charged...or not (which usually results in a dismissal). Guilty verdicts come from court martials, not Captain's Mast.

4/01/2012 9:20 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anybody can be XO on the internet.

4/01/2012 11:21 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is a lot more to this story than is being told. I am sure when the smoke clears there will be more collateral damage than just the COB. This event has been a burden to my command for many months. People have put their careers and lives on hold while this investigation has been in progress. In this day and time of critiques and fact finding(s) our COB was the fall-guy. There were plenty of people who knew this was going on, they will escape unscathed and a good sailor and mentor will leave the sub force with nothing to show for his career but a kick in the ass out the door. No one said I would be joining a country club, and it's politics we are dealing with. New CO on the fast track, COB leaving here in a couple of days, no brainer for big Navy.
Thanks COB for taking care of us. You deserved a proper submarine send off.

4/02/2012 3:47 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Big Navy is lucky the economy is down.

Start the stop watch...the next big story is around the corner.

4/02/2012 4:05 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I guess the following concept applies at all levels, "Don't be the senior man with a secret"

COB was the only person onboard that knew that this problem was going on?! Come on! Where was the LPO, where was the LCPO. Div-O, XO people passing through the compartment.

After serving as a LCPO before retiring, I will tell you without hesitation there was not much I did not know about my personnel on a daily to hourly basis. I even knew more than I wanted about other personeel in other divisions. I walked the decks and settled problems on the spot. I did not have to run and tell someone "look what I did". I was charged with handling issues at the lowest level, but I always knew what was going on! The LPO, LCPO, Chiefs Quarters and XO failed here also!

Maybe the days of the XO and CO getting out and about are gone.

4/02/2012 4:15 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wanna be an admiral on the internet. huh huh, can I please.. can I?

4/02/2012 7:44 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

WTF? The COB was relieved by CSS16? You woulda thought that the CO should have done that.

So if the CO didn't do his job to investigate, NJP, etc... I guess we'll probably next see that he was derelict in HIS duty while assigned as the commanding officer.

4/02/2012 7:54 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe the COB threw himself under the bus if the CO/XO came out unscathed, at least so far. He may have known about the alleged hazing but since no one complained and no one got hurt, he let it go.

4/02/2012 9:14 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Start the stop watch...the next big story is around the corner."

Don't keep us in suspense, spill it cockbreath!!

4/02/2012 3:58 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I served with MMCM(SS) Berry very recently and am familiar with what happened, but do not know all the details. From what I know, it seems to be a case where someone's feelings were hurt. I want to say that COB Berry was a fantastic leader who earned the respect from his men. He kept them motivated and challenged while inspiring them to be their best.

COB, if you read this, thank you.

4/02/2012 4:20 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

It sounds like the Squadron is not letting the COs do their job? Who took DD to mast? The Squadron. It just seems that COs are not able to command like they use to. Plus if the squadron feels they need to take the COB to mast, there must be something wrong with the CO? Where have we ended up?

4/02/2012 6:11 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

CSS-16 Commodore is a D bag. I am use he had something to do with it. I am sure we will see that he is the next to go. Keep your eye on the front page of the Navy Times.

4/02/2012 6:12 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"use" => "sure" in the above statement.

This translation brought to you through the Dedicated International Literacy & Definitions Organization. Look for us soon on a SSBN or SSGN near you, conveniently located near the tampon dispenser.

4/02/2012 6:30 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was there and know what happened and the mm who came up with this elaborate plan lied for 90% of this just to get out and ruined a lot of careers in the process cob berry was a great cob and should not have gotten this punishment and it is stupid to see the so called "VICTIM" get away with this! Cob berry you will be missed on the fighting florida!!

4/02/2012 7:55 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

They all did there job solved it at the lowest point and it stopped until he wanted out because he didn't like being an a-ganger so he went to the chaplain no one was at fault but him for lying

4/02/2012 8:00 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

So what happened? Lots of "eyewitnesses" and "a lot of careers". If nothing happened the mm must have been a master manipulator to get everyone to buy it and get COB the axe.

4/02/2012 8:36 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Navy has no dedication to it's servicemembers! COB Berry was a National Hero months ago. Now he is the National scapegoat! Speak with your feet.

4/02/2012 9:51 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon-"Same culture, same Trident mafia"

What is your major malfunction?

4/02/2012 9:53 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like there was direction from Norfolk on this one! What month is it? One quarter of the way through the year!

4/02/2012 10:01 PM

Anonymous Dardar the Submarian said...

I find it truly sad that all of the problem are pushed onto one man's shoulders.

Where the fuck is the crew? Why aren't these guys policing themselves? Sure, the nubs are gonna try to get away with anything they can, and SOME of the chiefs will shirk their responsibilities because they feel they have earned the right to fuck off. That leaves a cubic butt-ton of sailors that are either standing watch in a managing (or outright senior) watch station or in a divisional leadership position. Where are they? Why does everything have to be about a single point of failure? This is the kind of attitude that is going to sink somebody one day. I hate, with all of my heart, to have to forecast that, but fuck me.

Do not tell me, or anyone else - for that matter, that leadership starts with khakis. I refuse to believe that nobody is a leader until they put on an anchors.

I have had a great COB in the past, and I have had some real shit-bags, too. I would have been unruly had my good COB been fired due to some asshole. That is how accidents happen to people.

4/03/2012 7:17 AM

Anonymous STS2 said...

I'm not sure which term applies to Naval leadership these days, "Can't see the forest for the trees" or "Can't get out of their own way"..but I'm sure one or both apply. This shit was starting when I got out, senior people going apeshit when something small happened, and then not knowing how to handle a big problem. Crucify a TMSN for wearing white socks, but just accept the fact that he might never know how the 3in launcher works.

4/03/2012 12:48 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...he is a TRUE Submarine War Hero..."

It's incredible that there was a WWII vet still in the Navy. Maybe they relieved him because he hit the age limit.

4/03/2012 7:18 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon -They all did there job solved it at the lowest point and it stopped until he wanted out because he didn't like being an a-ganger so he went to the chaplain no one was at fault but him for lying

4/02/2012 8:00 PM

Why didn't you come forward and stand up for our COB. Everyone of you stood by and watched him take the fall as long as it was not you!Everyone in A-division should be blamed for this event. A good man has left because of a bunch of sub-intelligent gear heads wanted to play college initiation.

4/03/2012 7:27 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have had a great COB in the past, and I have had some real shit-bags, too

Give us names, we need names and hull numbers!

4/03/2012 7:28 PM

Blogger SJV said...

Well, in a land where boomer crews get to join the VFW, seems like maybe he qualified as a war hero.

4/03/2012 7:30 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

wow so serious the COB was relieved but all the actual personnel involved recieved a suspended bust and sent back to the ship !! smells funny !!. That Commodore must not have seen the Navys zero tolerance policy on hazing clearly shows he is in the CYA mode to save the Commanding Officer involved. Must not have been to serious suspended bust really Commodore !! this is weak !! to say the CO or any other Officers had no clue is ridiculous. 500 feet of no skidded sewer pipe there is no secrets one guy farts six can tell you who it was another 12 can smell it.

4/03/2012 7:43 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

FYI the current CO was NOT in command when any of this took place. Get your facts/story straight before you start layin the blame!!!

4/03/2012 8:03 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

To The Skipper of the Florida this is your second ship to Command and you don't know whats going on ? and then the Commodore handles all your buisiness. Do you keep the Commodore on speed dial so you can call him in the morning and ask to wear you Command at Sea pin to work. I have sailed with a many of warfighters at the helm but I would never sail with you . Sailors will be forced to sail with you but they will never respect you.

4/03/2012 8:10 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe so, but odds are the CO who WAS in command at the time of the hazing is in some cushy 0-6 job now with no blemish on his record and will serve until forced to retire. Where is the investigation into what he DID or did not know? They canned admirals who knew about OP Honors antics after he went down in flames for those hilarious unPC videos.

4/03/2012 8:15 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just to get your facts straight a CO is in Command when he says I relieve you. Not laying any blame and comment says Commanding Officer involved a CO can be held accountable for any actions during their command even after transfer.

4/03/2012 8:16 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
FYI the current CO was NOT in command when any of this took place. Get your facts/story straight before you start layin the blame!!!"

FYI: He WAS there for at least half of the time that the alleged "hazing" (which was verbal only)took place. The COB stopped it as soon as he found out, so why is he gone?

4/03/2012 8:17 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some pussy assed homo couldn't take a little "verbal" hazing and some guy (COB) gets the boot? For once I'd love to see where the guy who got the shaft waited around and beat the ever lovin' hell out of the pussy whiner.

4/03/2012 8:28 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just for everyones Knowledge the CO has been in Command for over 11 months he relieved on May 5 2011 posted for the get your facts straight guy.

4/03/2012 8:29 PM

Anonymous YNC(SS), USN, Retired said...

Just a pore ol' high school dropout from Kitsap County here. In my experience there are a couple of kinds of "hazing". One kind demonstrates acceptance into a group, division, or brotherhood. If they don't recognize that kind right away, someone will soon educate them. The other kind is "take a hike dude, you're not needed or wanted here".

Many of us, if not most of us, have been the recipient of the first kind, and glad to receive it. The others? Well... adios dude.

I retired in 1987. I'm guessing the COB is the victim of the second kind of yahoo.

Very sorry to hear it.

4/03/2012 8:42 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Best COB I had was a 26 yr.MSCM/SS with red hashmarks. He retired after he popped a NUC for mouthing back. A-gang and TMs thought it was great. He struck a blow for liberty! I know - that was so Not PC.

4/03/2012 8:58 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

This COB should still be on the boat getting ready to turnover to his relief. He was due to transfer this month with full hero honors.Relieved over a lack of communication on a dead issue that was resolved and put to bed! Let's talk about the time period in question. The COB kept the command together when they were extended and executed their mission. He successfully brought the crew home, weathered the return to home port family storms and stopped the harrassment of an A-ganger all in one swing of the bat. Since the so-called "failure to communicate with the CO" happened (almost a year ago) he has managed the crew through a major availability, attended numerous social functions with his leadership team. He had been called out to perform specific training with the area prospective COBs. His interaction with the Chiefs Community in the Kings Bay area was solid and was always sought out for sage advice. His next job was another sea ging billet and was going to align him for bigger and better jobs ahead.
So if we live in the era of COB's screwing midshipmen, stealing and DUIs and they continue on with service, why does a Chief of the Boat with the utmost integrity and "give a shit" get canned over stopping a case of divisional harassment. Why does the COB get canned over not telling the CO about handling an issue at the lowest level, when the Command Pin carries the weight to do so!
Here's one for you, if we do not trust the COBs to handle "Command Level" responsibility, lets stop the ridiculus training and qualification requirements. 2012 COBs qualify using a riduculosly long politics driven charge book, grilled by a plethora of old ass Master Chiefs on a qual board, they attend the Sea Enlisted Academy, they attend COB/CMC course (with CO/XO pipleine)and they check in and get the once over by the Squadron Master Chief. How much more training and experience does a sailor need to be able to stop harassment and not worry if his busy CO gets the word or not about his actions! If a COB told his CO every little action he performed on a daily basis, it would either drive him insane or cause him to wonder why he was there!
BLUF: One of the Good COBs we have in the Submarine Force will probably retire here soon, way too early! We are losing a ton of experience and "give a shit" when he walks out the door! Stop the insanity!

4/04/2012 3:55 AM

Anonymous Dardar the Submarian said...

I will answer the best COB answer. ETCM Danny Halstead. No bullshit, fair treatment for all - blue shirts, khaki and officers. (Normal RHIP perks included)

Won't tell you the two worst, because both are probably still alive, and can probably still do evil shenanigans.

Here is the real question - Who thought it was proper to handle this fiasco in such a shitty, over the top manner? Who is (I'm out of touch, because I am not in anymore) the guy who thought "Harassment! I'll fire their COB! Percy, get in here! Take down a memo!"

As Hitler, the A-gang LCPO, said; "What a bag of fucking dicks".

4/04/2012 5:08 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

ETCM(SS) Richard A. Scanlin, COB, USS Whale (SSN-638).

Ditto on the no bullshit, fair treatment for all - blue shirts, chiefs, and officers.

Sadly, in looking him up on the Internet as part of this posting, I found that he passed away two years ago.

4/04/2012 9:01 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I suppose that this is just getting everyone ready for when the girls start reporting aboard.

No more playing 'you can't get to me'. No more leading questions about spouses/sig. others. No more kidding about personal appearance. No more hunts for the golden rivet.

Sub duty is going to have to be more like skimmer duty, only more so.

4/04/2012 10:22 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

COB Berry, thank you for taking care of us and being the leader I hope one day to be!

4/04/2012 6:24 PM

Anonymous 4-Stop said...

He got fired because the issue was never resolved to the satisfaction of Squadron IE: he was still being called a fag, donut puncher, etc. and nothing was done to the guys that were doing it like CO’s mast. Unlike most of the posts here hazing is not ok. It’s not a team building exercise it’s not to let someone know they belong. It is a way to dehumanize someone because they don’t think the same way you do. I have been hazed, hazed others and never saw a problem with it until I saw a crew member get his collarbone broken while getting his fish tacked on. We can’t decide what is good hazing and what is over the line. Pube my coffee cup and I would be pissed but I would also laugh, and then I would freeze your pillow in a number 10 can. Another person might go ape- shit-crazy. We continue to have these problems because the senior leaders let it happen. They turn the other way and that sends a message loud and clear. It did for me when I was a young pup. Being verbally harassed is not cool, it’s hazing. Call it PC pussification of the Submarine force but it can’t continue and Big Navy is going to hammer you for it. I suggest the good ol’ boys that want to continue this time honored tradition should get out. It’s not like the Sub force is going to be any worse without you. We will continue on without you just like we have done for so many years. Yes a boat full of PC-assclowns can still so the same job as you get over it!

4/04/2012 6:27 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sub duty is going to have to be more like skimmer duty, only more so.

And that will be its demise. Like most of my nuke brothers, and a good portion of forward guys, I went subs specifically so I didn't have to put up with "regular Navy" bullshit. Take away that carrot and see how difficult it is to "man" the boats.

4/04/2012 6:28 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Yes a boat full of PC-assclowns can still [d]o the same job as you get over it!"

Yeah, but can they do it as well? The recent uptick in major incidents at sea (despite a major decrease in number of hulls at sea) tells me the answer is, so far, no.

4/04/2012 6:49 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...he was still being called a fag, donut puncher, etc..."

Well, was he?

4/04/2012 7:01 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

CO's mast was done. He was not being called names by the crew after the COB said to stop. This all goes to 4-Stop. It did not continue after that by the crew.

4/04/2012 7:03 PM

Anonymous Half-a-Thumb said...

4-Stop, once again you embarrass the FT rating. Hopping on your soapbox and lecturing the many fine Submariners that post on this blog as if you are the high-and-mighty himself. Kindly do us all a favor, and get lost.
Also, with each of your postings I am getting closer and closer to figuring out who you really are.
For awhile I thought you might be McBee, but he is not a sniveling pussy like you. I am starting to think you are the half-wit, Dale Borchardt, the one who liked Seamen.

4/04/2012 7:06 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Half-a-Thumb said...

Half-a-thumb is a complete moron. You are way off, Dale Borchardt does not have the pizazz I have, and McBee is a complete ass-clown. Think bigger and better. Or look in the mirror for inspiration ass hat!

4/04/2012 7:36 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

First off this blog is about the COB of the Flo-rida. Not McBee! I work with McBee and you will not find a more dedicated, caring person on the planet. just the way that guy puts 100% into everything he does and says. He is just as committed to his job as he was when he was in the Navy! Half-a thumb you wished you were half the man/thumb he is!

4/04/2012 7:52 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

For 4-Stop...

They were not dehumanizing him. This was a group of friends giving each other shit. And the senior leaders (i.e. the COB) did NOT look the other way. Whoever wrote the press release didn't bother with the facts or the truth. And while you're proudly waving your PC-assclown banner, the aftermath of this bullshit will not be that sailors will quit giving each other shit, but that a COB will become nothing more than a tv trope of a political officer, tattletelling to the CO as his only job description. Alles klar, Herr Kommissar.

4/04/2012 9:39 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Irene, this really isn't a very nice place (after 20-30 comments especially) for a wife to visit, though you are certainly welcome to join in whenever... You have a nice little spouse blog, but I wouldn't recommend hanging out here. I'd be careful or you will end up feeling hurt. Take care.

4/04/2012 10:56 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who are you to say who can come here??? You don't even post your real name I am sure you are a kings bay's a free Internet

Ps who the hell is Irene???

4/05/2012 12:36 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Irene, isn't she the oriental with one leg?

4/05/2012 3:06 AM

Anonymous Dardar the Submarian said...


It is funny as Hell, but DUDE!

Excuse me while I change my underpants, now.

4/05/2012 4:48 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like most of you in this post are boomer fags who have nothing better to do with your time than to sit around arguing over stupid sh@t. Bad things happen to good people now stop crying over it you pansies.

4/05/2012 3:22 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am so glad I read this thread all the way down. Irene, I promise we will give you back your wooden leg.

4/05/2012 3:25 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

And please do share what you called us all boomer fags????

4/05/2012 3:57 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

" I went subs specifically so I didn't have to put up with "regular Navy" bullshit.

I bet you all knew a ton about the Navy when you made your decision, too.

4/05/2012 4:00 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
Sounds like most of you in this post are boomer fags who have nothing better to do with your time than to sit around arguing over stupid sh@t. Bad things happen to good people now stop crying over it you pansies."

So you had nothing better to do than comment also? Stupid shit? The effect of this "stupid shit" will effectively reduce every sailor to a boomer fag. By the way, you're now also guilty of hazing.

4/05/2012 4:22 PM

Blogger Bubblehead said...

Deleted a post for a PERSEC issue.

4/05/2012 5:13 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Haha! Your blog has taken off!! They are monitoring you like Facebook!! Go Navy,kings bay!

4/05/2012 5:45 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is Mcbee?

4/05/2012 5:58 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

This post is great. I have increased my vocabulary. Words like ass clown, ass hat, yes men,master chief mafia and I am sure there are more but I won't list them all. I will visit this blog more, because of politicians like you how could I ever skip this much entertainment! I don't know who this COB Berry is, but it sounds like he got the raw end of the deal!

4/05/2012 6:30 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon @ 4/05/2012 6:30 PM

What are you doing on this blog. I take it by your post that you have no clue! Here's another word for your Vocab, dumbass! Or heres some letters that you can use to form an action STFU.Don't get on here again, there real men posting here!

4/05/2012 6:41 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Haha! Your blog has taken off!! They are monitoring you like Facebook!! Go Navy,kings bay!

Huh!Really!Someone's post was taken off? It must of been good.

4/05/2012 6:42 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

RDML Tofalo has totally fucked up Kings Bay what a little Admiral Harvey Kiss ass. He use to be a good submariner now he's a ass kisser

4/05/2012 7:01 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I bet you all knew a ton about the Navy when you made your decision, too.

Considering I'd been in for over a year before I had to pick whether I wanted to go subs or not, I knew enough and had heard enough to know I didn't want any part of the "regular Navy" bull shit. In hindsight, there was more than enough BS on boats, I can't imagine how insufferable it must be now.

4/05/2012 7:05 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm guessing you were "in the Navy" for a year before you decided the same way I was "in the Navy" for three years before I made my decision.

Which is to say, we were both like mushrooms.

4/05/2012 7:24 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re: War hero question. As I recall, FLORIDA shot a slew of TLAMs against Libya (open source).

Our action against Libya wasn't a war as declared by Congress/law/etc, but neither is Iraq/Afghanistan and there are plenty of men & women who deserve to be called war heroes for their actions there!

As for whether or not shooting missiles against a third world nation with zero ASW capability counts towards being a war hero, that's another topic. I've heard enough vouch for MMCM Berry that he sounds like he WOULD be a war hero if he was part of anyone's definition of war...

4/05/2012 7:42 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...


If your aunt had been born with balls I'm sure she would have made a fine uncle, too.

Launching missiles ain't shit. Maybe it contributed to the campaign, but there's nothing heroic about it.

4/05/2012 7:48 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

They breed this type of hypocrisy in the puzzle palace. When in doubt fire the enlisted man.

First thing I learned, officers take responsibility and if you say handle at the lowest level you make your standard clear and stick to it.

Sorry, most staff officers O-4 and higher only look out for themselves, its just the way it is in today's navy.

4/05/2012 8:22 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

..maybe thats why any time I want the truth from one of my officers I talk to a LT or lower

4/05/2012 8:23 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Always thought LT seemed like the best rank in the Navy, last few years have proved me right. O-4 board met this week so will see how long it lasts. Gotta make it to keep playing navy @ keep gong down to the sea in boats for as long as I care to.... se la vie.

Heard COB Berry was a great COB. Any body know anything about CAPT Dave Kirk? Seems like COB might have either taken one FOR him or got thrown under the bus BY him.

4/05/2012 8:55 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

edited for correction
...AND keep GOING down to the sea in boats...

4/05/2012 8:59 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm guessing you were "in the Navy" for a year before you decided the same way I was "in the Navy" for three years before I made my decision.

Which is to say, we were both like mushrooms.

I'm guessing you're a dumb ass coner, which in most cases means you're still a mushroom.

4/05/2012 9:18 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think he meant McLovin

4/06/2012 9:43 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...


Hilarious. You think spending a year as a student in a few training commands offered you exposure to what the Navy's like.

Keep digging, you twit.

4/06/2012 12:01 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...'s sad when a post has gotten so buring that your wondering when the next sub scandal will strike???

Well I'm sure the National enquirer I mean the Navy times will have more gossip...I mean "news" soon...

Just remember fellow submariners bad things can happen to any of us and a few paragraphs taken from the media do NOT tell the whole story....

4/06/2012 12:38 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry boring not buring

4/06/2012 12:38 PM

Anonymous Stsc said... Bad things happen. Rest your oar Sailor. Joseph was an STS3 on the Tenn Gold home on leave.

4/06/2012 12:54 PM

Anonymous 3383 said...

Wait- it isn't common knowledge that West Coast is less petty than East Coast, that submarines are more relaxed in uniform regs but stricter in job requirements, and the more one advances the more politics become part of the job?

How much time in service is needed to learn that steam is hot?

4/06/2012 1:20 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Politics!, Politics! WTF! The COB was not a politician. He was a CHIEF OF THE BOAT! He was not elected, he qualified and volunteered to devote his time and energy to the Navy and the crew of the Forida! Anyone who knew Chris Berry, knew he was a Sailors advocate. If his crew put their heart into their job, gave 100% effort every day and gave a shit about the mission he was there for them. If they were bull shit artists and malingerers he took them to the mountain top. Most of the COBs I know and knew ruled from the Goat Locker. If you needed to talk to them, you had to take your ass up to the "quarters" to kiss their rings to get them to put down the PS3 controller and listen to your issues. Chris Berry recognized from the deckplate he had a shipmate that was in trouble and he took care of the business. He took the young man to the chaplain for guidance and then he racked and stacked the agangers in the machinery room and read them all the riot act. He stopped the issue right there and everyone knew the COB was serious. No one, None had any doubt! I was there!It's sad the Agang Chief stood in the corner and let the COB counsel his division, but that was his weak ass ability that put them there to begin with. Chris stopped the issue, received the thumbs up from the kid that things were great and he moved on. A lot of people knew about this and concurred that Chris done the right thing and completed all required actions. Those ball less people have refused to come forward and say anything! Months later after the investigation has ended, the new Squadron CMC walks up says to Chris as he is preparing to stand beside and vouch for those who have been accused of hazing, his shipmates, "sorry brother your being relieved"! Chris got the first lesson in "It's not personal, its politics". Sorry Chris the CO is destined for bigger and better things, you are enlisted you get this one and you need to shut up and color in the corner. You know what! This Navy needs an Enema!

Proud Member of Chris' Chiefs Quarters

4/06/2012 6:34 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

And if what you say is true, shipmate, it is indeed a sad day for us all.

4/06/2012 7:02 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Little Big Navy might have got this one wrong!

4/06/2012 7:04 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, two COBs fired in Kings Bay over "Communication", how heinous! COs contiinued on with their careers.

4/06/2012 7:07 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did I miss something, who was the other COB?

4/06/2012 7:15 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dunno. I remember 2 in Bangor and this one in Kbay, but I haven't been keeping score.

4/06/2012 8:31 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

StrategyPage decided to weigh in under Morale: The Mystery Of The Inattentive Chief

Nothing we don't already know.

Having seen some blood dolphins in the mid-80s (you know what I'm talking about), that stuff was too much. And in the mid-80s it was looked into, but it didn't turn into a witch hunt (and there were masts on the boats, and while the Commodore was often consulted as the CO works for the Commodore, it was at the CO level.

CSG 10 is a straight shooter but is he still RDML (select (ie, frocked))? Really not his place to countermand the Squadron here. If this is so egregious, where is the input from the other CMCs?. Like the one in Norfolk.

4/06/2012 11:50 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The COB failed to report a case of what he called "verbal hazing," no physical abuse occurred, nor was any speculated to have happened.

Hmmm. WTF is verbal hazing? A small number of people I have worked for were total a-holes, screamers, and that should have counted as verbal hazing.

The COB was told he was fired for not telling the CO about it. Strange...then why didn't the CO have the sack to fire him?

Last I heard the COB fitrep was signed by the CO, not the commodore. What gives?

4/07/2012 12:41 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see it all even worse than that. Where is the SQDN CMC to stand up and protect the COB? Oh, the CMC was set to relieve the COB anyway. Welcome to KB where if you're not born and bred you do not fit.

4/07/2012 1:08 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The COB was relieved by the CSS-20 CMC (as was planned), he works for the CSS-16 CMC - get your facts straight.

4/07/2012 1:51 AM

Blogger Curt said...

So he did everything perfectly, except making a report to his CO?

4/07/2012 8:37 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

@Proud Member of Chris' Chiefs Quarters
4/06/2012 6:34 PM

With all your pontificating, where were you? If you and your quarters had done your jobs with which to begin, there wouldn't be 100+ posts (to this point) discussing this issue. STFU and push!

4/07/2012 10:03 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"WTF is verbal hazing?" - Anon @ 12:41 AM

Verbal hazing is the only type that would ever have been applied to women crew. Now do you, understand?

4/07/2012 1:34 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon with the bullshit quote:
"With all your pontificating, where were you? If you and your quarters had done your jobs with which to begin, there wouldn't be 100+ posts (to this point) discussing this issue. STFU and push!"

Listen dumbass, no one including the person who was alledgedly hazed thought that the COB was responsible for this! The Agangers were treating this kid harsh, but it wasn't public abuse. So whatever your rank your gold band wearing ass carries, the golden rule is not "Chiefs are responsible for every little thing that happens". Go back to your squadron hole and hide! Let the CO do his job, let us do ours. STFU and write down some more hits and develop another POA&M.

4/07/2012 4:37 PM

Anonymous Watch that bucket! said...


4/07/2012 7:07 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon @ 4/07/2012 4:37 PM

"...the golden rule is not "Chiefs are responsible for every little thing that happens..."

Actually, in the navy in which I served (as a Master Chief before retirement only a few years back), Chiefs were responsible for everything that happened and we enjoyed being so, because officers fought the ship/boat and we ran it. I now understand why 130 posters are venting re. MC Berry. It sounds as if he understands the responsibility of a Chief. Obviously, you didn't figure it out during initiation--or whatever PC label you and your ilk refer to it these days. Again--STFU and push.

4/07/2012 8:48 PM

Anonymous Watch that bucket! said...

Actually, we Chiefs make the Navy run, the Officers run the Navy. An important distinction.
Anyway, are you Rob M.?

4/07/2012 10:26 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 4/07/2012 8:48 PM.

Your like every other Master Chief I have met, once you get something locked in, you believe it to be true no matter what the circumstance. (It.s called Tunnel Vision and the VA will be giving you a % someday) It's easy to be retired or in a position of authority that no longer deals with these problems. You can relect from a dream world and say it was perfect when I ran the Navy! All chiefs agree we are held to a higher standard. It's when the standard hands us a undermanned division, higher optempo, a changed climate and culture (than when the old folks were in), and last but not least 5 different entities chiming in (that in the old days would have stayed out of our business). Again since you hear what you want to, Chris and no other Chief seen this coming. The COB and the Chiefs took care of this. The situation was taken care of, everyone was ready to move on. THIS SITUATION WAS OVER A YEAR OLD! So who ever chimes in from here on out with any attitude of "it wouldn't have happened to me if I was the COB". Dream on! You would be sitting in the same spot as Chris Berry. A great COB with nothing to show for his hard work and time. Collect your retiremnet pay and get that dementia checked out. I am starting to worry obout our Fleet Reserve!

4/08/2012 7:29 AM

Blogger Curt said...

How many of us have you met?? Just swag it - how many?

We're not ALL the same.

4/08/2012 11:07 AM

Anonymous submarines once... said...

I have read all the posts and figure the truth is somehwere in the middle here, but if the draconian event took place quite some time ago and the "deal-breaker" was failure to inform the CO, then whatever drove this firing is "over the top". It could be the PC universe or the CYA mafia but whatever it is certainly appears to be excessive but "the new world order", I guess.

4/08/2012 1:52 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Smartest man I know. Come back in and restore order. This is crazy. Anyone joining now will get their "yes man" qual card and follow all of the "yes man" officers!

Draw the line in the sand now. If you are E-6 and below or 0-3 and below. You are going to have it tough. All the enlisted will be scared to do their jobs, and the ring knocker LTs will be "Yes men"!If I'm wrong, tell me. If I'm right be very scared!

4/08/2012 3:02 PM

Anonymous Grizz said...

I have known Master Chief Berry for 30 years. I have known his Father, Also Master Chief Berry for 30 years. I have never known them to be anything but true patriotic Americans serving thier country.
I find it sad that the command would allow this sort of thing to take place. It smacks of Political Correctness in the worst way!
I hope the command has a change of heart and re-thinkss this instead of using it to put out a fire that they are to afarid of snuffing out with thier own sorry tails!!!!
Chris, I would sail with you anytime shipmate!!! MB Hall EM1

4/09/2012 7:49 PM

Blogger 4MC said...

Grizz, was his father the MMCM Berry that was the 3-M Coordinator on the USS Louisiana back in'96-98 time frame?

4/10/2012 9:06 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

He was the EDMC on the Kentucky during that timeframe.

4/10/2012 3:47 PM

Anonymous RF said...

I think alot more people should have gone down with him, I personally wasnt the biggest fan, but I did get along with him very well, but being a member of that boat for the past 4 years, there was alot of hazing going on, and its about time its pointed out.

4/11/2012 5:30 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow. Way to man up and point fingers 4 years later. If you had knowledge of hazing, shouldn't you be masted for failing to report it?

4/11/2012 5:36 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

gutless wonder will never come forward.

4/11/2012 6:01 PM

Anonymous RF said...

Oh, well i was one of the guys being hazed, and i just left the boat a month ago, and they didnt do anything about the hazing even told the CO about it, but im off the boat, so maybe things will change now.

4/11/2012 8:47 PM

Anonymous Scott SSBN-740. said...

To most of you, especially anon @4/02/2012 6:12 PM,

A lot of people are jumping to conclusions here. I'm not discounting that Master Chief Berry was a patriot and a good man, but people make mistakes. I've sailed with the CSS-16 Commodore, worked with him at multiple commands, and known him to be the greatest man I've ever met. He is a true advocate for sailors. If he decided to relieve Master Chief Berry, then it was the right call. We may not have all the information, but I know and trust the man. I will always trust CAPT Gillespie's judgement as he has proven his worth repeatedly.

4/12/2012 12:51 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

A general consensus seems to be that Gillespie was only following orders from a higher, politically driven source.

4/12/2012 1:08 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stop it, stop the insanity!
Why does everyone say it must have come from above. The bottom line the issue is over and put to rest!

4/12/2012 7:08 PM

Anonymous RF said...

id like to know who you are cause i was on the boat too, and i agree with you.

4/12/2012 8:36 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

rf: which CO did you tell? Current or previous? Sounds fishy....

4/13/2012 1:57 PM

Blogger Bubblehead said...

A reader wrote in with this comment:
"Thank you for opening your blog to allow people to post information about Chris Berry. It would appear that the support from among those who actually know the man, who served with the man and who have personal knowledge of the political correctness that is polluting our world know the truth; this man followed written procedures. He did take action. He did resolve the issue. His only crime was that he did not report it up the chain of command, but in this instance there was NO requirement for him to do so. I understand that before the decision was handed down, the Navy already had it in print which would lead one to ask, “how could Chris have been given a fair hearing if the decision was already made before the hearing even concluded?”

A life of dedication and duty to his country has been changed forever. A life of answering the call whenever and wherever, regardless of family sacrifices, has been rewarded by the country he served in a despicable way.

I have always supported our military men and women and I will continue to do so because I know the hearts of so many wonderful people who have made the decision to serve. It breaks my heart to see those in charge, in whom we place our trust, so willing to sacrifice Chris Berry for the sake of expediency rather than make a stand for what is right. These are the people who make life and death decisions; it leaves one to wonder if they indeed can be trusted?"

4/13/2012 5:07 PM

Anonymous LAMPS MK 1 said...

Agree 100% with 4-Stop! Sounds like 99% of those posting on here would agree that Everything CAPT Owen Honors did while XO of the USS Enterprise was "a-ok"! Every year we have to adjust to the Navy Culture and we agreed to uphold those values as part of our condition of employment we call service to country and fellow sailor!

4/13/2012 5:44 PM

Anonymous rf said...

we did that command climate survey and when the co talked to all the e4, e5, e6 and so on, it was then, so it was the current CO.

4/13/2012 7:03 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well to address the reader who bubblehead quotes: if it was hazing, even alleged, and Berry didn't report it then he was wrong. The instruction requires all personnel to report to the CO so any alleged hazing can be investigated. If investigation shows substantiated hazing then the CO must reort it up the chain.

4/13/2012 8:40 PM

Blogger Curt said...

Well, the only question I have, is WHAT WAS SAID - Somebody was called a Dink or a Nub or ??

4/14/2012 3:56 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

IF it was hazing...

Otherwise, the instruction reads, "handle at the lowest appropriate level."

4/14/2012 10:18 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your wasting your breathe, Little Big Navy has spoken!

4/14/2012 6:18 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chris is fighting the evolution of the submarine force from crew that use to watch movies together and enforce their moral and rules at the deck plate level by the peer pressure developed by the crew being forced participated in casual periods as a crew. Any sociologist will tell you peer pressure is the builder of mores and morality of a group/crew take peer pressure away and you have indiviuals. Know sailors go to their racks and watch DVDs and computer games and the crew are indiviuals. After 27 years of Sub force I see these kids that could not make it in the Navy because of the peer pressure cannot make it out here either, they did not growup. Some Congress womans relative gits his feelings hurt and thousands of sailors never get a chance to change into men. Chris I have know you for a long time and serve with your Dad MMCM and EMCM Wold both Old time Nukes fast attack tough who believed in 4 hours of dink time for non quals, they would not survive in todays Navy you did an excellent job, too bad for the kid that could not take a little heat and will never growup, he will not make when he crawls out the door in the civi world either. Out here if you cannot take the heat they do not pay you and there is no where to hid if you want to get paid unless you a Union bub. Keep you chin up and hope all fair winds, the good stuff rises to the surface and the dreges are drained from the botton of the barrel, you are on the top Shipmate. MMCM

4/14/2012 11:47 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

MMCM great thoughts, but just like when you served, you should let someone proof read before you represent the Submarine Force. Always remember accountability is the unwritten rule. The Command pin weighs more than you will ever know. I am sure if you had served as a COB or CMC you would have understood where the pressure and stress of Command lays.

4/15/2012 6:10 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

MMCM @ 4/14/2012 11:47 PM

EMCM (then EMCS) Ernie Wold set my ship's qual board. What a friggin hard ass! MMC Berry (Chris' dad) gave me my ER walk through, he took no prisoners. It was done on the mess decks. It started with draw from memory ERUL, include every piece of major equipment, power supplies, DC gear, etc... and went downhill from there. More drawings, lists and limitations just to get to the point of being invited to go back to the ER for the actual walk through. You and I may have served on the same boat at the same time, we do share the same thoughts and concerns.

You hit the nail on the head with the connection of the congress woman's relative. It was PVT Danny Chinns (sorry it may be Ching, Chin, Chan I just don't remember his name) suicide and BIG Navy wanting to be able to show the elected leaders that they are pro-active in the prevention of similar events (don't get me wrong, suicide prevention is clearly a logical and realistic endeavor).

Chris will recover from these trials and tribulations. He has a great wife and family in his corner.

IMHO the real story and the information released by the PAO appear to have some disparities. Kinda along the lines of the PAO came up with the worst case scenario and ran with it vice the truth which is significantly less than what they should have put out to the public. And of course NAVYCRIMES chimed in because they have a better ability to parrot the BS fed to them than going out and finding real issues impacting Navy today.

Your words on the Johnny Bag of Doughnuts not making it in the real world is spot on. Too often I have seen former military members that had issues while in uniform continue to have the same and worse problems outside. Their failures usually gets worse over time with no adult supervision kicking them in the teeth when needed to keep them in line.

I will add to your comments that Navy has to look in the mirror for a big portion of the ills affecting the service today. We have been spoonfeeding Sailors and officers to the point we have developed a generation of mindless zombies that may be able to run the mile and half in a short time period while looking suave and debonair but can't lead, can't think for them self and don't act like the same breed of Sailors we are.

I am SO, SO, SO glad to be retired.


4/15/2012 6:07 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have no idea what point you were trying to get across?

4/15/2012 8:24 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The point is simple the Cob of the Florida was caught between PC on one side and CRA on the other and only you (I do not know) supporting him. He stood alone and did his job like an Old Chief.

4/16/2012 4:47 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

You must be delirious, my old Chief would have caused most of the issues and if given the choice back then whether a submariner stayed or went...The old Chief would have said get rid of the kid he is of no use to me. Chris took the kid to see the Chaplain, then checked for acceptance, then sat all of the auxiliaryman down and told them to stop, then he again checked for acceptance from the kid. You tell me back in your day is that how the Old Chief would have handled it?

4/16/2012 2:54 PM

Blogger Curt said...

"then checked for acceptance, then... then he again checked for acceptance from the kid."


I always felt kindo of sorry for the TMs and A-Gang on my second ship (SSBN 735).

On my first ship, These were MEN (SSN 639 TAUTOG) who roamed the decks like gods - masters of all they surveyed.


4/17/2012 2:17 PM

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4/22/2012 2:54 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK, I'm a late comer to the post by several weeks here, I'm sorry. I heard about MMCM Berry's relief through an old Guam shipmate and I couldn't believe it. I knew Chris Berry as an MMC and then MMCS and he was probably one of the biggest influences in my Navy career. As has been mentioned many times previously he was a true sailor's advocate, a true submariner, and a real CHIEF. I always thought there were two men that, given the chance, I would try and follow to be part of their commands and MMCM Berry was one. I regret that I won't have that chance now. The Navy should more than regret that it is dismissing one of it's greatest assets. I'm on my way out after 8 years and this is just one more sign that it's time to go. The Navy deserves every problem that it has coming to it. Chris Berry, on the other hand, has only the best in front of him and I have only the best wishes for him and his family.

5/20/2012 2:07 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is this a case of the women recently assigned to the ship not being accustomed to the submarine culture? I'm sure the ship has its share of dirty jokes, salty humor, etc., but there was probably just too much of a culture shock for them, and far be it for the commodore to tell them to grow a thicker skin. COB probably told them to suck it up and act like they're ready for combat.

5/23/2012 9:10 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, it isn't. No women onboard Florida. Nice try.

5/25/2012 7:01 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not so far off though.

5/25/2012 4:30 PM

Blogger The Motivation Group said...

Joe Hall STSC(SS), I qualed in the 1970s, when hazing was the norm. Sandlance had a running rivalry between A-gang and Torpedomen for best hazing style.
I kept my nose clean, never a dink, but saw plenty hazing enlisted to enlisted and enlisted to midshipman. The commodore used to get pissed off when hazing occurred, but it never slowed down.
The stars of the hazing show were Fat Brownie TM2(ss) and Black beard the pirate MM3(ss)complete with 3-foot beard. He would pour soup or grease in his beard and slime NQPs with his beard.
Brownie was the boat hazing champ, he could dead lift one end of a Mk48 off the skids. He loved grease guns, icing nuts, and pantsing anyone he pleased.
He pantsed a middy by snatching his belt and pulling against the middy's grip until the buckle broke!
This was in the crews mess and showed him how ice felt down under, the middy was a tackle for the academy, but no match for Fat Brown!
Brownie also took a foul mouthed IC-man NQP and hung him from his boot straps in the TR and swung him like a pendulum. The IC Chief asked for his SN back, and Brown did about an hour later, after a through hazing, including the use of the leg irons, hand cuffs and a make shift stretching rack!

On the Tunny, A-gang had mad Larry the wardroom table shitter, until the Nav busted him at 3 am!
Larry also coaxed a middy into crawling head first into the potable water bilge under the 15 man bunk room and he locked him in the bilge up-side-down and fast vented the 20 psi system to drown out the middy's cries for help...underway!

I'm use today Brown, Black-beard, and mad Larry would be in Levenworth for hazing. I'm sure what ever the FL Gold crew did would pale in comparison to the hazing I witnessed in the 1970s (1975 - 1978).

5/25/2012 10:59 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rumor has it that the Base CMC from the Submarine Base in Groton, CT was caught skinny dipping in the MWR lake on base. Probably won't be long now before we read his name in the Navy Times.

7/29/2012 2:49 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

By the way Master Chief Berry is doing very well out of the Navy with an excellent job, enjoying himself and his family. An the young sailor is working on Helicopters in Washington for the Navy. He just wanted off the boat, could not hack it. Most of the A-gang got out of the Navy. The gutless A-gang chief just faded away.

2/28/2014 10:31 PM


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