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Friday, December 16, 2005

Submarine Aircraft Carriers?

Mil-blogger Murdoc Online posted earlier this week about a thread on a discussion board that started talking about submersible aircraft carriers. Someone found an official-looking drawing of a proposed design for one, and this set off quite a discussion of the feasibility of such a beast. The discussion kind of petered out, though, after a commenter noted that the drawing in question came from the October 1963 Proceedings.

We submariners have got to get involved in these discussions earlier...


Blogger MT1(SS) said...

That's definitely... interesting. I should probably take more interest in things over there, marine engineering is somewhat of a hobby of mine.

I'd like to know how big those 'missiles' are supposed to be, considering the drawing is about 60 feet shorter, has a smaller draft, and about 6,000 tons less displacement than an OHIO-class. Not to mention the launching and retrieving of aircraft, hehe.

CVN 'cats' take about 300 feet to accelerate aircraft to the 150ish knots required for flight. Aircraft recovery usually takes about 400 feet of deck space to do.

There are some interesting articles regarding giant submarines, though.

12/17/2005 11:00 AM

Blogger half said...

No cats needed! Theses are STOL!
And if you read the fine print you'll see the missiles are IRBMs. Looks like a perfectly valid project, let's fund it and keep the 2 Iowas going too.

12/17/2005 1:19 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know what would be interesting, instead of launching & recovering manned craft is to make the pictured submarine a platform for unmanned recon drones like the Predator. Launch 'em under local control, hand them off to satellite control for their mission, then pick 'em up again under local control for recovery when the job's done. BZ!!

12/18/2005 4:19 PM

Blogger Chap said...


The Japanese were way ahead of us, and we took ones back to Hawaii as post-WWII prizes to see what we could learn (not much, apparently; they were sunk, and one was found again recently to much excitement in some quarters).

Here's a link to one of the stories of talking the I-400 across. Another version is in Paul Schratz' book Submarine Commander.

I think I woulda liked to have met Schratz. He made the retired admirals nervous...

12/24/2005 1:50 AM

Blogger jeffox said...

Dream on. Airedales would never take to hotracking, anyway. :)

1/17/2006 2:15 AM

Blogger Jon said...

This is actually pretty easy to answer, considering past history of US surface ships. Doors large enough to allow aircraft in and out of a submersible would be hellish to maintain. The old Virginia class cruisers (CGN38 - CGN41) all originally had helo elevators in the fantail. After a number of years of failures with the doors leaking and the elevators breaking, they eventually just welded them all shut (CGN41 had the doors welded shut while she was still in construction!) The hangar bay then became storage spaces and other things (a make-shift brig was one thing that was down in there, as well as the RT training room.)

1/12/2010 9:45 AM


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