Submariner Vs. Moonbats
Chap interacts with a 9/11 Truther. Hilarity ensues.
posted by Bubblehead at 5:47 AM
Tuesday, February 12, 2008
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15 Comments:
Soooo hilarious...wingnut provokes outburst by belittling the beliefs of others and wonders why the outpouring of hostility!
2/12/2008 8:37 AM
I believe the author was stating his opinion about the fellow's beliefs, which the store owner prominantly displayed. It seems to me that he was still willing to make a purchase at this mans store but the owner saw the cover of his book, didn't like it, and, forgive the pun, judged a book by it's cover. And I may be wrong, it's happened once before, but I'm quite sure Nazi and Racist are a bit much to call someone who told you that you were a fool for believing something.
2/12/2008 10:12 AM
ijusttype - read Chap's article again...Chap provoked the owner by ridiculing his beliefs (I am not agreeing with the owner's stance). If you provoke someone you should be prepared for multiple responses to your provocation. Chap wasn't ready for the verbal "ass whooping" he got...all I am saying is that he should have been prepared for it.
I am not judging the situation...I am only judging Chap's response. Never be surprised with how someone else interprets your actions or words.
2/12/2008 10:39 AM
Also...I fail to see the "hilarity" in making such a huge withdrawal from someone emotional bank account.
Must be a wingnut thing that moonbats can't enjoy.
2/12/2008 10:42 AM
"uber" - I can read fine, perhaps you should take another look at my coment. If you wear your beliefs on your sleeve, make sure you are prepared to engage in conversation about them when someone berates you, because they will. Both men could have handled things better, and getting called a Nazi and Racist, in my opinion, is not a verbal "ass whooping", it is ignorance at it's worst.
The hilarity comes from the person who displays his beliefs for the world to see to be suprised when someone invades his public shop and calls him out. Instead of defending his beliefs he berates others instead.
2/12/2008 11:28 AM
ijusttype - Agree with you that both could have handled the situation better. If Chap had engaged the owner with a less critical questioning attitude it would have probably led to less escalation into emotions and maybe into a reasoned discussion...can't predict what would have been.
Some folks need to add a smidgen of tolerance and understanding to their persuasive techniques vice outright challenge.
I was thinking of the logic that you don't tease a dog you don't know or you might get bitten when using the phrase verbal ass whoopin...by your own admission Chap was verbally assaulted as being a racist and Nazi.
BTW (& this is not a criticism) why do you capitalize racist?
2/12/2008 11:53 AM
I capitalize it to place emphasis on the fact that even in todays society there is a group of people that hang onto the fact that their race makes them superior to others. Just a personal choice really, I don't think enough people realize how large of a problem it truly is, and not just white and black, but many other races engage in it as well.
Agreed that tolerance is something that most people today do not have enough of, but I also, hypocritically I guess, believe that it's good to take a hard stance on some of our beliefs, on some occasions. An ice cream parlor wouldn't be one of them, but an ice cream parlor that passes out literature about things you don't believe in would be, in my humble opinion.
I'm not trying to defend Chap here, I don't believe he was in the wrong, but that is for people to decide on their own. I'm simply saying that if the owner would have taken the higher road, things may have went differently, that's specualtive of course.
I see where you went with the teasing dogs bit, I agree. Unfortunatly, Submariners tend to do that more often than most, it's gotta be the air.
2/12/2008 12:40 PM
The second paragraph was incomplete. I agree with you that if Chap would have taken a different approach things may have went dif as well.
Of course not knowing the tone of voice, hand movements, facial expressions, and such makes it difficult to interpret as well. In my opinion.
2/12/2008 12:55 PM
Pfft. I ain't patronizing Troofers.
2/12/2008 4:41 PM
Now see what you've gone and done, chap: Willie Nelson has now joined the troofers.
It's all your fault.
This, and of course, 9/11.
2/12/2008 5:51 PM
uber tinfoil - "If Chap had engaged the owner with a less critical questioning attitude it would have probably led to less escalation into emotions and maybe into a reasoned discussion."
How could Chap have hoped to have had a "reasoned discussion" with a clown who thinks his government murdered 3000 of its own citizens, made planes disappear, and somehow kept it a "secret"? Like Chap, I too can smell the acrid odor and jet fuel of the Pentagon, and lost some shipmates there. Chap is a better man than me for just calling him a fool. These jerks are beneath contempt and Chap did well to restrain from physical violence.
I would not patronize 'em either Chap.
2/12/2008 9:56 PM
anon - the first part of your comment regarding acrid odor, jet fuel, and lost shipmates shows that you have a human side and feel compassion...those are the ways to win hearts and minds.
You don't win people over by calling them fools and being on the brink of physical violence.
This next comment is directed solely at you "anon". You are not a well rounded American fighting man if you believe that intolerance and violence are the first acts in your playbook. I too spent 22 years in the service of my country and I remember all too well that it was my duty to defend every American's freedom whether I agreed with their personal viewpoint or not.
"uber tinfoil" guy
2/13/2008 6:33 AM
"on the brink of physical violence"? "Hearts and minds"?
Whatever you're smoking, keep it away from me. Your foil's on too tight.
In addition, you've never talked with a Truther. Just look at the internet some time. Some clown who's so far gone along the road to Trooferism that he's putting the flyers and propaganda in front of the kiddies in an ice cream shop is not someone who will be swayed to peace, love and understanding in a conversation. Furthermore, his allegations of traitorous actions, mass murder and conspiracy do not deserve to be treated as though they are differences of opinion about ice cream flavors.
Maybe you're one of those guys who just wants to have a nice conversation with everybody to make everything better. It doesn't scale. At some point of opinion you have to stop and say "this is wrong." At some point you have to express disgust, and for xpressing some opinions they should be ashamed.
That point is long past when dealing with evangelical Troofers.
2/13/2008 6:04 PM
This goes way beyond a simple matter of ridiculing someone's beliefs, uber tinfoil.
Making false claims that the U.S. government was the actual murderer of 3,000 of its citizens on 9/11 is (1) sedition, and (2) aiding and abetting the enemy during wartime.
Were it up to me, the government would show substantially less tolerance for such idiocy, and prosecute these traitors to the fullest extent of the law -- which, during wartime, I would imagine to be rather severe...and appropriately so.
2/13/2008 8:14 PM
The moonbats train of though never arrived at the station BECUASE IT DERAILED
1/18/2009 10:33 PM
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