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Saturday, July 14, 2012

Responsible Use Of The Submarine Song

Over the years, I've sent the lyrics to "The Submarine Song" to literally hundreds of Submariners, and while I don't know for sure that The Submarine Song contributed to the firing of the COB of USS Annapolis back in April, based on the new description of the events leading up to the firing by the Michael Melia reporter, it sure sounds like it might have played a part. Excerpts:
The sailor from the USS Annapolis, Senior Chief Sonar Technician Gregory Cordray, had been drinking inside a club on the U.S. base when he was involved in an altercation with a group of apparently British sailors on March 12. On the bus to a hotel, he also caused a commotion by starting a sing-along and using profanity, according to the command investigation. The investigation report, obtained by The Associated Press through a Freedom of Information Act request, concluded that Cordray violated the commanding officer's orders to avoid intoxication while off-duty in Bahrain, as well as during a January port visit to Toulon, France...
...According to the investigation, Cordray had been drinking beer inside the chief petty officers' club for nearly seven hours before leaving for the hotel, when he encountered the apparently British sailors attempting to board the bus designated for Annapolis sailors. Several people tried to quiet Cordray as they secured the door to the bus.
Because no one wants to see a Submariner lose their job, I feel bad about saying earlier: "It's only fun singing The Submarine Song until someone gets hurt... and then it's hilarious, if the hurt person is a skimmer."

Have you ever gotten into a "tussle" with non-Submariners (especially non-American non-Submariners) in a foreign port?


Anonymous Anonymous said...

The crew I served with used to volunteer to paint orphanages and help fix dilapidated houses for poor people. We went to church as soon as we hit port and wore our best uniforms any time we were off the boat. We also fed unicorns with all the rainbows we collected.

7/14/2012 9:28 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon @ 9:28 AM above reminds TSSBP readers of a stark irony. We have been familiar with submarines providing humanitarian assistance as well as surface units (e.g. Haiti). The difference is obvious. The surface vessels utilized are more or less designed for the assistance roles provided. Submarines have provided nuclear powered electricity to storm-devastated cities, but are poorly designed for most other efforts. Moreover, submarine crews endure routine sacrifices (forgone fresh air, sunshine and time-consuming qualification and drills for operations at depth) never applicable to skimmers. What's up with sub "liberty call that included plans to paint the Rainbow Rescue Shelter at Belmont" (Chaguaramas) instead of R&R that includes stress relief for those who may need a little more than a skimmer?

7/14/2012 1:24 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do we keep talking about skimmer pukes? Who gives a shit. We are the real men who are smarter, work more and get paid better. We know that. They know that. Everyone knows that, so why keep brining it up?

7/14/2012 1:36 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

April 1997, SSN 678 was pulled into La Madd, we were told we pulled in early so that there would be a boat in port during the Submarine Birthday Ball. So, we had a pretty good turn out from both the Chief's Qtrs and crew. So picture a couple of tables with nothing but a bunch of bubbleheads who had been on deployment since December. Well as the evening wore down, we sang the Submarine Song with much enthusiasm. Since the guests included, COMNAVEUR, all the Tender and Squadron big wigs and wives, our singing was not that greatly appreciated. On Monday morning our COB was invited to go see the Squadron CMC. Needless to say, there was a Chief's meeting that day and we were told to basically mind our Ps and Qs for the rest of the visit.

7/14/2012 2:09 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only fight I experienced in a foreign port was blue on blue. A group of 5 or 6 sailors were celebrating a birthday, and the birthday boy had probably 4 or 5 more drinks than he should have. When the "sober buddy" saw that things were getting out of hand, he tried to intervene and get everyone to call it a night. Anyway they all ended up beating the snot out of each other in the street. I was the SDO that night so I got to hear all about it early in the morning.

7/14/2012 4:18 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me see if I have this right:

You can't sing the submarine song and use profanity on the beach yet you can fuck your shipmate in the ass and have it celebrated in the Pentagon?

Am I missing something here? Has the Navy lost it's way (and soon to be it's funding?)

7/14/2012 6:05 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Submarine Song didn't get this guy fired, his inability to act like an adult in public and follow his command's alcohol policy in a liberty port got him fired.

7/14/2012 6:19 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Every time Vaginus posts anonymously and links to his own blog, I rub one out. That would get me fired on any submarine in the fleet today, especially as I keep forgetting to wash my "love sock".

7/14/2012 7:39 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

No "tussles" from this old smoke boat sailor. We just put the drunk-passed out airdale on the next train going north from the Yokosuka train station. Did the same thing to a passed-out tin can sailor in "our" stand bar in Sasebo about six weeks later. Put him in a cab and told the driver to take him to Yokosuka.

Keep a zero bubble...........


7/14/2012 9:12 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

OBTW, The submarine song sounds a lot better when sung by some of the girls that worked at "Marilyns" in Subic City.


7/14/2012 9:28 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Typical. A boat pulls in and the command sets down a restrictive liberty policy and THE guy with anchors onboard decides it doesn't apply to him and he can't set the example for his crew. Nice to see him actually get hammered for it like one of the junior sailors would.
If you accept the position as a COB on a boat you should be setting the example for your men, not violating command policy because you damn well feel like it.
Every single port I've pulled into, even P-Can on a boomer, I've seen some of the worst hypocrisy come out of the Chiefs' Quarters. Don't tell your guys they don't have to have a drink to have a good time, then be the first to commandeer a liberty van so you can all go get too smashed to stand watch the next day.

7/15/2012 3:45 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

First night in Holy Loch on last liberty barge back to the Tender three Marines were picking on our newest deck div non qual. One of the FTs stood up and told the Marine to back off, all three Marines stood up and said "make us", the rest of the 70 or so sailors on that barge were off our boat, we all stood up and chucked the Marines into the water, August, so it wasn't that cold over there. Couple of guys threw them orange life rings. We were about 50 feet from the tender. Cox wanted to turn around and get them. We said no, he did it anyway, he went into the drink. Another orange ring... One of the Chiefs docked us and an A-Ganger borrowed the barges bell. We told the Tender pukes that tied us up we lost a few folks on the way and went to the tender to our berthing compartment. The bell didn't float...

7/15/2012 7:36 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The pussification of the submarine service. Can't drink, can't think bad thoughts, and no willie wonking allowed...Geez!

7/15/2012 9:24 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

In 1993 I was the LYN on the 752. We departed San Diego for Westpac with the Lincoln BG that June. When we got to the China Sea in early July the Lincoln and half the skimmers went to Hong Kong. We went south to Singapore with the CG Fox, AFS Whiteplains, and FFG Ingraham and moored at Sembawang on the north end of the island. While in Singapore sailors from the 3 skimmers crews got into a bar brawl with eachother and some Kiwis sailors for good measure. Feedback was THEY RIPPED THAT BAR UP. I remember the next morning a YN from the White Plains came to our boat asking for 'as many report chits as you can spare'. Those 3 skimmers were promptly placed on the admirals shit list for the remainder of Westpac. Subsequently the admiral read the
riot act to all the BG COs, including ours, so zero liberty incidents became the policy to enforce on the beach.

By the end of July we transited the Red Sea and became the first U.S. submarine to moor at Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Zero alcohol was available in town but being the ingenious CPOs we were we found ourselves invited to the U.S. Consulate General facilities which had a large bar where the alcohol flowed very freely. The next day we went back and held a CPO pool party on the consulate grounds where after much alcohol was consumed again, the COB got thrown in the pool. He wasn't well liked by the CPO Quarters but that's an entire other story that I won't share here. He didn't make it much longer and was replaced when we got to Bahrain...

In August we transited the Straits of Hormuz and met up with HMS Liverpool (D92) in the gulf. We spend most of the day with them on the surface. Two men and I went aboard Liverpool via their very fast small boat and I was invited and impressed with their CPO Quarters - complete with full bar.

It wasn't long after that the boat and HMS Liverpool proceeded to Jebel Ali, United Arab Emirates for another port call. The CO was fearing a liberty incident (CYA) so the COB designated me as 752 shore patrol on the first night. UAE policy was no uniforms off the pier so I went in civies with a SP arm band. They bussed the crew to a recreation center that was also being used by the Liverpool crew. This was the first night of alcohol for the crew since Singapore so the beer was flowed very freely that night and by 2100 both crews were getting wild and dificult to manage. Some of our men sang the submarine chant a few times which the Brit skimmers didn't appreciate too much. At one point late in the evening the Navigator arrived and told me, 'there is going to be trouble' and promptly left me holding the bag. By 2300 one of our men was dancing on top of a table and kicking beer on the Brits. The others were close behind. I decided that was enough and ordered everyone back to the boat. The only person to object was the 'beer kicker' but I got everyone back safely without further incident.

We hit every port in the gulf that Westpac and except for Saudi Arabia all were wet.

In October the Lincoln was ordred to the waters near Mogadishu, Somalia and thereafter the events of Blackhawk Down occured. By mid-November the entire BG eventually gathered at Perth, Australia where a huge BG All Hands banquet was held. A fellow CPO and I attended and promptly left after being given the cold shoulder by the skimmer CPOs. While moored at HMAS Stirling (the Perth Naval Base) our CPO Quarters was invited to the base CPO Club and more alcohol was served in great quantities. Damn that Aussie beer was good. Thus ended Westpac '93.


7/15/2012 10:34 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 6:05 PM is spot on.

Its shameful to smoke underway... but a cock in your mouth (all be it in private) is A-OK these days?

7/15/2012 2:54 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

...and pound-for-pound, Filipinos DO sing the submarine song better than the average submariner. To add: only an East Coast homesteader and Trident sailors would disagree.

7/15/2012 2:56 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gay people exist. Get over it.

7/15/2012 2:57 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gay people suck dick. Get over it.

7/15/2012 3:06 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

An interesting test case: Can you f*** your shipmate in the a** and still have it celebrated in the Pentagon if you're simultaneously singing the submarine song and using profanity?

7/15/2012 7:16 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

A lot of guys on this blog are sure fixated on gay sex. I wonder why?

7/15/2012 8:40 PM

Anonymous 3383 said...

I dunno, but I'm sure sex on board has always been against regulations. I don't know how it was punished when someone was caught or got pregnant at the wrong time, but it wasn't allowed.

Not that anyone cared when someont took their wife in their rack....

7/16/2012 1:53 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

off topic, but looks like an oopsy..

anyone know whats up?

7/16/2012 9:53 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

This was appropriate in the circumstance, definately not an oopsy like the USS Cole!

7/16/2012 11:25 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Act like a threat, you'll be treated like a threat. I say good on them.

7/16/2012 6:52 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

One less raghead, who was either a terrorist or going to become one, to worry about.

Oh wait, can we say raghead anymore or will the pentagon get upset (all the while, celebrating donut punchers)?

7/16/2012 8:08 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

So why's it bother so many submariners that dude-on-dude ass-pounding exists when half the submarine humor is homoerotic or revolves around drawing phallic symbols everywhere?
If you're straight, doesn't two men going at each other mean statistically there are more women available for you?
One of the biggest problems in not only the submarine force, but the military, is the traditionalist mindset that is so afraid of anything it isn't used to from decades of the same shit that it refuses to try to improve things. Things change over time. Otherwise I would own the black guy in my division instead of him working with me and doing a damn good job.
Gay men exist. If they're not punching your donut, why does it bother you, unless the problem is you want your donut punched and are too far in the closet to admit it to even yourself. If someone is different from you, that doesn't make them bad, it makes them different.
The submarine force is too short handed to discriminate on race, creed, sexual preference, being a ginger, or anything like that. What we need to discriminate against is stupid. Two men pounding each other privately won't get you killed. The retard sticking his dick-skinners into an energized panel will regardless of where he parks his willy on a regular basis. Stop the pointless hatred and move it back to where it needs to be focused.
The STUPID shall be punished, regardless of their other traits.

7/16/2012 8:31 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

EM1, ATQ, can we still say raghead?

And the sub force is anything but short handed. The biggest issue facing the force right now is de-funding. All the donut punchers in the world will be of little use if there is no funding to operate.

7/16/2012 9:00 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

No problem with Limey skimmers. USS Orion pulled into Gibralter. The HMS station ship invited us over. Turns out if guests are aboard, bottles opened are "on the queen". Neat traditions these Brits have, and they can drink Yanks under the table!

7/16/2012 9:07 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our boat pulled into Esquimalt, a fantastic liberty port. Due to the geographic location of the few Canadian boats, our host was a small skimmer. Mounted on the bulkhead in their wardroom was a plaque and yard glass. The plaque listed the reigning champ, who turned out to be the wife of one of the officers. For some reason, they were ashamed to admit this fact. Then one of our officers beat her time. If you're a Canuck, it's one thing for a woman to beat you, but it's entirely another for a Yank to do it. So somebody relieved their Duty Officer, who was their best drinker, and he took back the record. Much fun was had in the process.

7/16/2012 10:09 PM

Blogger Henson said...

The reason these "manly mens" have such a problem with Teh Ghey is that all the stupid frat-boy shit they did on board before they retired suddenly becomes gay if there's gay guys on board.

Wusses. If you can't hack the mere presence of a gay guy, God help you if a real stressor comes along.

7/17/2012 8:42 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

We are both short-handed, and under-funded. Boomers can't man a 4 section watchbill like the turnover checklists still say. 3 section with Port and stupid watches aft, some port and stupid MTs when not supplemented by off-crew, and a couple port/stupid forward guys. Fast attacks, 4 section is rare. I only saw 4 section there if you didn't have fixed sections but the rotations were based by which spot you filled for your duty watch. And your watches on duty days were still port and stupid for wire rates.
And funding? Forget it. Money pours into the shipyard and support facilities to pay overtime to civilians who are fixing mistakes they made in the first place, but not going to parts. I don't get why we can't get parts the Navy already owns and why we consider it being charged for them when the Navy has had them sitting on a shelf for decades for some of the equipment. Jobs that were supposed to be fixed years ago during an ERO are still getting pushed back to "next refit guys."
With how many DFS's we have every time we leave the pier, what's the point of the spec in the first place? And if its a submarine support facility, why is the boat's crew the one getting bent over the table and railed?

7/17/2012 2:11 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey EM Donut Puncher, 3 section P&S was the NORM while I was in. And lest you deceive yourself about "two men pounding each other privately won't get you killed," (something I'm certain you partake of regularly) you might want to read up on all of actual afflictions fags suffer from and why their lifespan is drastically shorter than that of a heterosexual.


7/17/2012 4:11 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Man, the comment section of this blog has really gone downhill in the last year or so. Discussions used to be fairly intelligent but not so much anymore (see comment above).

I often wonder why some of you guys who seperated/retired many moons ago still frequent this blog. Maybe it's time to grow up, give up the ghost, and carry on with your life. The world and the Navy have changed since your days punching holes. Go somewhere else and spread your hate, discontent, and narrow-minded views.

EMC/SS to Mustang
15 years AD and counting

7/17/2012 6:46 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Diver, you seem to be the embodiment of what's already been said. The greatest threat to the sub force, the biggest thing holding us back from improvement - the traditionalist mindset that is too willing to just say, "That's how things have always been." And when someone isn't willing to just accept the BS, you attack and insult.
I'm glad you are no longer in. Your bigotry, hatred, and narrow-minded slavish devotion to not changing are not welcome traits in a co-worker. Gay men have been in the military throughout history. Alexander the Great was rumored to keep his 10000 man army in a conga line with no hands. The Spartans kept their soldiers away from their families and wives except to breed the next generation of soldier - and do you really think they were celibate the whole time they were away from home?
The repeal of DADT was one of the best things that could have been done for the service. Now people who have been risking their necks with the rest of us can focus on their jobs instead of hiding who they are and worrying about losing their jobs because of bigots like you.
On my boat, we had one guy come out after DADT went away. That he has a boyfriend on another boat doesn't bother us. That he's dinq as hell and looks like a carnie does.
Military service and the submarine life are difficult enough as is without asshats spreading hate and discontent at anything not like them. The only way we will make thing better as best we can is to not just accept the status quo and keep shouting out hatred, discontent, and bigotry.
And now to be insulting, you're an idiot. Two men who are not you going at it of their own free will does not affect your life. It doesn't shorten your life. It doesn't run the risk of getting you killed. As a former EM, you should have no problem agreeing that an idiot pulling large fuses under load can get you killed by arcing and blowing out part of a switchboard causing a fire. And that idiocy has nothing to so with where he sticks his dick.
The STUPID should be punished, but its usually the competent who pay. Enjoy your civilian life, you narrow-minded asshat.
For the record, I am straight. Defending the right of one consenting adult to have sex with another consenting adult, even if they are the same sex, doesn't make me gay, it just makes me better than you.

EMC, congrats on making it that far. Hopefully you can shake a few things up as a Mustang.
I would love intelligent discourse, and do hope I am doing my best at making sure at least one side provides it. But to have a battle of wits with such bigotry is to fight the unarmed with nuclear weapons.

7/17/2012 7:10 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

^^^ You may claim to be "straight," but everyone reading your defense of mano-a-mano buggery reveals the truth: You're a pole smoking, hairy ass crack licking, bend over and grab your ankles, take it in your rectum faggot. Whether you like it or not, most of us think like this. Why? Silly faggots, dicks are for chicks.

And in case you're wondering, I'm watching and waiting to see the first royal fuck up with a root cause ultimately attributed to some lover's spat on a boat. Oh, it won't come out that way, but the truth will be revealed.

Now get busy polishing YN3 Sugar Britches' knob.

7/17/2012 7:24 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

^^^ Case in point. A battle of wits would be like fighting the unarmed with nuclear weapons.

7/17/2012 7:26 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not only is it extremely cruel to persecute in this brief life those who do not think the way we do, but I do not know if it might be too presumptuous to declare their eternal damnation.

7/17/2012 7:30 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

^^^ You may claim to be "straight," but everyone reading your defense of mano-a-mano buggery reveals the truth: You're a pole smoking, hairy ass crack licking, bend over and grab your ankles, take it in your rectum faggot. Whether you like it or not, most of us think like this. Why? Silly faggots, dicks are for chicks.

Wow, how far in the closet are you?

Must've been tough typing that one-handed.

7/17/2012 8:45 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Doesn't more gay men mean more women are available for you? Wouldn't that make more gay men statistically a good thing? And it lowers the number of men available for your girlfriend to cheat on you with.

7/17/2012 9:06 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

^^^ Shouldn't you be bitching about how horribly unfair it is that you're three section duty, and of all the low down shit, port and starboard? Let women and fags in and all of a sudden three section duty is worse than bread and water rations.

7/17/2012 9:12 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Never actually seen bread and water rations, unles1s you count midrats.

7/17/2012 9:20 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, don't pick on the dinks. They are just as human as everyone else and don't deserve to be descriminated against. After all, they go to sea just like the next person.

As a great person once said:

"Military service and the submarine life are difficult enough as is without asshats spreading hate and discontent at anything not like them. The only way we will make thing better as best we can is to not just accept the status quo and keep shouting out hatred, discontent, and bigotry."

7/17/2012 9:27 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"On my boat, we had one guy come out after DADT went away. That he has a boyfriend on another boat doesn't bother us. That he's dinq as hell and looks like a carnie does."
The quote of the year. Can always count on a submariner to come up with a good one!

7/18/2012 8:51 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good grief we are proving our own version of Godwin's Law....the longer the comments continue, the more likely the conversation turns to women and gays on submarines approaches 1.0.

7/18/2012 6:32 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Godwin is from Texas, therefore, Godwin is also a donut puncher (and so was Hitler)!

7/18/2012 9:56 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...


I received an e-mail from a shipmate that provides new analysis on the loss of Thresher. I tried to up load to this thread, however it is to large. Analyst is Bruce Rule who provided the latest on Scorpion loss which he attributes to a battery explosion. Rule posits in his Thresher analysis ther was no flooding in engineering spaces. Instead loss of vital bus at 1k feet, reactor scram, boat starts descending w/o propulsion, unable to blow ballast due to frozen strainers in blow piping and hull collapse at 2400 feet.

I'll forward to you. contact me at work e-mail,


7/19/2012 10:06 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...


What makes that analysis "new"?

7/19/2012 12:56 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well isn't this "special."

So much for being treated "equal." I wonder if anyone has been voluntold to march? Best response, "Go fuck yourself . . . . . . . . sir."

7/19/2012 5:53 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 12:56,

New to me. Court of Inquiry (COI) official report on Thresher loss was combination of flooding, loss of electrical power, scram, inability to blow ballast tanks. Bruce Rule's analysis says no flooding, Reactor scram caused by loss of non-vital bus, MCP's in fast, they tripped off the line when vital bus was overloaded. (I misquoted in previous post) everything else (ice choked blow line strainers) the same. Lot of detail in the report with supporting SOSUS data analysis supporting his opinion. Rule says COI erred blaming Shipyard workers for faulty sil-braze connection causing flooding on her last dive.

I was comissoning crew SSBN 619B. Went on initial sea trials one week after Thresher went down. Interesting sea trial. One trip to 1300 feet then restricted to 400 feet. Some history for you. Back in early 1963 a scram recovery could take 15 to 20 minutes. following loss of Thresher, new "fast scram recovery" procedures were instituted. We drilled the hell out of that on the way from Mare Island to Cape Canaveral. Regarding strainers in the ballast tank blow lines, 619's were removed during PSA in Charleston 63-64. Partial SUBSAFE installed consisting of emergency MBT blow system. Only operated one time, alongside the pier in Charleston 1964. I was onboard until end of 1966, never tested underway while I was onboard.


7/19/2012 9:15 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like essentially the same story to me. The only difference is that the existing explanation has a cause (flooding) for loss of the...waitaminute - you say vital bus in one account, and non-vital bus in the other account. How does your guy know there wasn't flooding to take out the [vital] bus? And why would you say non-vital bus in the one account - is that an indication of your level of knowledge in engine room (and aux2) casualties?

7/19/2012 11:10 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh please don't spread the hate. What a dumb comment. If you feel the need to smoke pole or love those that do, stay out of my life. I spent 20 years in the Navy and I'm sure a solid 5 years underway including 6 six month deployments and several 3 month trips plus all the weekly and 6 week ops. Never did I feel the need to make homosexuality part of my career. Leave all the phoney 'I'm okay, your okay bullshit alone. This kind of talk makes me ill.

7/19/2012 11:29 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon 11:10
You obviously didn't read my last post carefully. I did write I misquoted in my initial my post. Probably correct about my level of knowledge re: engine room, as a TM we couldn't touch anything or even look at any rig-for bills from frame 58 aft. I can still tell you how to get SS-348 underway on the battery as junior controllerman, and stand an oiler watch in both enginerooms.

Keep a zero bubble............


7/20/2012 8:57 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

DBFTMC, saw the same artical. This guy(Bruce Rule) said that a analysis of Thresher sound from SOUSUS led him to believe that the boat lost the non-vital bus, which overloaded the vital bus (RCP's in fast), which caused the loss of the vital bus, causing a reactor scram. Before they could start the reactor they sank to crush depth. NO FLOODING INVOLVE?? I think he was smoking something. It would be a good arlicle tho read and discuss, but I could not get it to send either.


7/28/2012 8:35 PM

Blogger Zoe Brain said...

The submarine force is too short handed to discriminate on race, creed, sexual preference, being a ginger, or anything like that. What we need to discriminate against is stupid.


7/29/2012 9:39 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Old COB,
Your right, would be good for discussion on this blog. My take, I would have to re-read Rule's analysis, however I believe he also referenced Thresher wreck site pics as confirming catastrophic implosion not consistant with with flooding of compartments prior to implosion. BTW, I have never seen pics of Thresher wreck site, have you? Has anyone not-in-the-know? Thresher was HY 80 hull and much thicker than Scorpion. Scorpion was a 700 foot TD boat and also HY 80. Again I would have to re-read Rule's analysis of Scorpion loss, however I believe wreck site pics show Scorpion engine room telescoped in on itself and torpedo room telescoped into operations compartment. I never did buy the MK 37 W/S battery light off, detonate in Torpedo Room nonesense. That was all BS! Certainly not consistant with wreck pics. FWIW, my two cents....

What boat were you COB? I was COB on SS-580 1974-75.

Get back to me at and I will send you some interesting info on Scorpion loss not generally known to larger submarine community.


8/01/2012 10:03 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

No song was sung on that bus.

8/02/2012 10:06 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually someone was singing "Yellow Submarine" not "The Submarine Song".

8/07/2012 6:46 PM

Anonymous Clubs Miami Beach said...

This website is for that entire person who became stupid after drinking beer. This man even violated the commanding officer orders that drinks beer nearly for seven hours and later on many people help's him to reached the bus.

8/30/2012 12:53 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I discovered this blog after watching a movie on the new submarines being built on netflix.

I have always been fascinated by submarines or "boats" as you refer to them.

My father and grandfather were in the military. Perhaps I missed my calling. To have been part of something with all that courage and honor would have been amazing.

But then I read some of these comments on hate for gay people and think thank God I did not have to serve next to somebody like that. Some of the homophobia from the older members show they are so stuck in the past. They probably have problems with black people too.

For the record I had to listen to antigay remarks in college too and guess what I learned later about almost all the people who were the most homophobic after I graduated ????

They were ALL gay. They just grew up with a parent or religion that berated them and they were scared to death of being found out for having same sex attraction.

So if you want to find out who the ones are that are deep within the closet then look for the ones who are the most militant and vocal against gay people. This is the Truth almost 100% of the time.

Thanks to those of you who had the courage to speak up for what is right (equality/diversity) I think you are the real Super Heros on here.

Chicago, IL

1/01/2014 12:21 PM


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