Random Stuff
Here's some submarine/Navy-related stuff in the news:
1) Here's a follow-up story from the Associated Press with more details about the submarine CO who faked his own death to try to dump his mistress. The question remains: Is this a more salacious story than the Australian officer who repeatedly spanked a junior female sailor?
2) The LANTFLT winner of the 2012 Stockdale Award is USS Boise (SSN 764) Commanding Officer CDR Brian Sittlow. w00t! This comes a year after the Boise won the Battenberg Cup.
3) Here's a story of an ET1(SS) from USS Missouri (SSN 780) who was re-enlisted at Foxwoods by an Elvis impersonator. What's your favorite "non-traditional" re-enlistment story?
4) In some sad news, the United States Submarine Veterans of WWII national organization officially disbanded following their convention in Norfolk. The youngest member is 86, the oldest 102. The Submarine community will have lost the best of us when the last of these heroes finally departs on Eternal Patrol.
Update 1615 25 Sep: Q. When is a diesel submarine louder than any Western nuke boat? A. When it's an Iranian Kilo-class boat that just got out of an overhaul in an Iranian shipyard in which they fabricated the repair parts in Iran!
Also, two submarines were recently announced as the winners of the CY 2011 Marjorie Sterrett Battleship Award for superior performance in intra-type battle efficiency: USS Newport News (SSN 750) from LANTFLT, and USS Hampton (SSN 767) over in the Pacific.
Newport News is on a similar roll to Boise, with their CO earning the Darby Award from the Submarine League back in July.
posted by Bubblehead at 2:50 PM
68 Comments:
Sounds like the Aussies have more fun that I ever did back in the day.
9/19/2012 3:02 PM
Anyone here who was bandying about the fact that the Australians have women on submarines should take great pride.
As though this wasn't entirely predictable?
Let me guess the lame comeback in advance: "They'll improve over time."
Right-o. Just like human nature, 'eh?
9/19/2012 3:21 PM
As the Australian story continues, "two sailors" allegedly made the best of Anzac Day, by way of "sex on a pool table in a Chinese bar as their comrades watched and cheered."
In the Australian Navy, I'm guessing this was ("quite") hetero. The combination for such an event in the U.S. Navy these days is anyone's guess.
Sort of brings a tear to your eye, doesn't it...? (Also: images of passports being stamped "Port of Entry, Australia.")
9/19/2012 3:30 PM
Maybe the Aussies should think about kicking the men off their boats...
9/19/2012 3:57 PM
Sometimes a woman needs a little smack on the bottom (and they all like it, some just don't admit it)...especially if she has been naughty. A little discipline can make you horny!
9/19/2012 8:53 PM
And BUFFALO won the Arleigh Burke Award.
9/20/2012 3:07 AM
Buffalo, what a joke of a boat.
9/20/2012 5:32 AM
how could you miss this "random stuff:"
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/dnc-russian-warships-convention-image-181737864--election.html
9/20/2012 6:56 AM
An unsung Navy hero...except for what really matters in life.
9/20/2012 10:46 AM
And here's the story behind the pictures.
9/20/2012 10:51 AM
More random stuff...Cloaking device?
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/09/14/us-navy-eyes-technology-to-cloak-subs.html?ESRC=navy-a.nl
9/20/2012 11:04 AM
A 58 year old active duty Lcdr?
9/20/2012 11:09 AM
USSV of WW2 disbanding... Such a terribly sad day for our community and nation! I still laugh at the tour I gave many years ago on a T-hull (yes I was a boomer fag cuz they dont have Missile techs per se on SSNs) when the USSV guys marveled at "the porcelain shitters" on our boat.
I learned more about duty, honor and country from those guys over a beer than I could have thought possible.
Keep the snyde Boomer guy comments to yourself this is about losing a National Treasure!
9/20/2012 2:01 PM
^^^^^^
You must be from the PACNORWEST, you learn more over a beer than most over there! Keep up the good training regiment. You make us all look good.
What a moron!
9/20/2012 8:12 PM
Anon who said this-"I learned more about duty, honor and country from those guys over a beer than I could have thought possible."
I sorry you didnt get better leadership.
9/20/2012 8:20 PM
If you think it's possible to find good leadership capable of winning wars in a peacetime Navy, then I want whatever you are smoking.
9/20/2012 8:49 PM
I've always felt it's a huge fuckin' deal for the guys who came before us to tell their story. When you see a bunch of guys standing around a memorial they need to be given a chance to tell what actually happened way back when and where. And Yes Gents, it takes less than two minutes to figure who has served and who has not.
The vast majority of our technology comes from smoke boats (originally).
I've seen the USS BATFISH (SS-310)in Muskogee OK. I spent Christmas two yeas ago in OKC which is the only reason I've seen this boat. A boat permanently berthed on a lawn was a new one for me.
The U-505 was really cool in Chicago. I actually got to fumble fuck with her Enigma originally assigned to the boat.
The biggest thing really is we need the guys who've earned a Submarine Combat Patrol Insignia to tell us what happened when and where, and when they were on patrol. I love hearing their stories when seeing the USS PAMPANITO(SS-383)or the BOWFIN (SS-287) in Pearl. I could care less what's happening at present in the Navy enquirer. I just like hearing what the old guys did during their time of WWII from time to time. Without them would we be here today? What other language would we be speaking if we'd not won WWII due to our grandfather's efforts in life?
US history has always been a big thing for me, so what might have happened if we had lost WWII? Now there's a question for you to ponder.
9/20/2012 11:09 PM
MT1(SS)WidgetHead-
I'm sure you have already seen this, but if not, you might enjoy:
Sub Vets History Project, http://www.oralhistoryproject.com/
be cool,
-DM
9/21/2012 11:04 AM
MT1(SS)WidgetHead-
I'm sure you have already seen this, but if not, you might enjoy:
Sub Vets History Project, http://www.oralhistoryproject.com/
be cool,
-DM
9/21/2012 11:04 AM
We had a WW2 subvet ride the boat on a tiger cruise during a change of home port from SD to Pearl. He was rather awesome.
9/21/2012 12:07 PM
OMG! There was a ceremony at the USS Bowfin museum here in Hawaii a few years ago and I asked this WWII sub sailor which one he had been on and he said "The Bowfin". Kewl. He asked if I had been on submarines and I said "Coldwar Survior!" He almost choked to death. lol
9/21/2012 2:18 PM
"He almost choked to death."
Maybe I'm taking this the wrong way, but that right there is part of the problem. While I would never equate service on a nuke during the cold war with combat patrols in the Pacific during WWII, nonetheless, cold war service was respectable. It was not without it's difficulties and dangers and so should never be scoffed at. Were the crews of Scorpion and Thresher just out for a good time?
As far as I can tell, the US submarine service is the only one that eats its young. With the disrespect that gets heaped onto today's submariner - especially boomer sailors - I wonder how we ever get anyone to serve at all.
We all follow the orders given to us. Sometimes that means putting your life in immediate jeopardy, and sometimes it means boring holes in the ocean hoping that those orders never come.
Just remember - if you want folks to respect your service, you must respect theirs. Because of some of the comments I read here and on other boards, I am slowly losing the respect I once had for diesel boat sailors.
9/21/2012 7:13 PM
One out of every five submariners was killed in World War II -- this highest loss rate of any service group in that war.
Speaking for myself, I can bear with a 'tude from the ones remaining...God bless 'em, every one.
9/22/2012 7:07 AM
My interaction with the WWII sub vets came at the time I was dragooned into usher duty during the commissioning ceremony for the USS Pennsylvania. Some old guy in a blue vest came up to me and politely asked where he could sit....recognizing him for one of the WWII vets, I replied that as far as I was concerned, he could damn well sit anywhere he pleased!
He laughed and took his seat with his buddies.
My buddy asked why I was joking with the old guys and I pointed out who they were and that there were STREETS named on the sub base after some of the vessels on the back of their vests...
9/22/2012 9:26 AM
BZ to Captain Sitlow! Very well deserved award to an outstanding Commanding Officer!
9/22/2012 9:26 AM
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/17/ufo-war-chinese-and-us-navy-off-san-francisco/
Why not cover ther real news about how the Chinese fleet is helping the U.S. fight off UFO's on the West Coast?
At least some people think it is the real news...
9/22/2012 10:25 AM
We lost so many submarines in WWII mostly due to poor design, particularly with torpedos. Once we fixed ourselves later in the war, our kill/death ratio went way up (mostly because the main target for submarines were unarmed merchants, something that would be illegal in 2012).
I guess volunteering to serve in a known death trap and committing what is now considered to be war crimes gives one permission to be a douchebag?
How about all vets who served in Sherman tanks? They were just as dangerous, and they actually fought against other soldiers/armor.
9/23/2012 7:11 AM
Here is a compilation of the senior enlisted and CO/XO firings for 2012.
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2012/09/navy-2012-co-xo-cmc-firings-list/
9/23/2012 9:03 AM
To: Anon @ 23sep12 0711 -
Please search for the Sherman Tank blog elsewhere.
Sincerely
John Lehmann
9/23/2012 12:00 PM
"We lost so many submarines in WWII mostly due to poor design, particularly with torpedos. Once we fixed ourselves later in the war, our kill/death ratio went way up (mostly because the main target for submarines were unarmed merchants, something that would be illegal in 2012).
I guess volunteering to serve in a known death trap and committing what is now considered to be war crimes gives one permission to be a douchebag?
How about all vets who served in Sherman tanks? They were just as dangerous, and they actually fought against other soldiers/armor."
WTF??? Seriously? Our WW2 subs construction were quite good and got better as the war progressed/ True the weapons issued sucked because of a divine faith in the magnetic exploder, but that was resolved as well. Most of the Japanese merchant ships were protected by destroyers and other war vessels, so your innuendo that our WW2 sub sailors were sleaze balls since they shot at unarmed ships is way off base. People volunteered to be on subs since they wanted to be part of an elite force. And absolutely no war crimes were committed by our WW2 sub sailors. Japan Made a critical mistake attacking the US and since Japan's merchant fleet was used in the Japanese war effort made them a legitimate target. That would hold true any time and any where.
Go whine about Sherman tanks someplace else.
9/23/2012 8:01 PM
To the Anonymous asshole at 7:11 AM:
You're just talking crap, shit for brains.
Check out the cause of submarine losses in WWII from Wikipedia. Track the cause of the boat's loss, and it quickly becomes apparent that nearly all of the boats were lost in enemy action.
Submarine Lost in WWII: Cause:
USS Albacore (SS-218) Struck mine 11/7/44; all hands lost
USS Amberjack (SS-219) Depth charged 2/16/43; all hands lost
USS Argonaut (SM-1) Depth charged 1/10/43; all hands lost
USS Barbel (SS-316) Depth charged 2/4/45; all hands lost
USS Bonefish (SS-223) Depth charged 6/19/45; all hands lost
USS Bullhead (SS-332) Depth charged 8/6/45; all hands lost
USS Capelin (SS-289) Unknown; likely mine or depth charge in 12/43; all hands lost
USS Cisco (SS-290) Depth charged 12/28/43; all but one man lost
ET CETERA
Moreover: "Forty-eight submarines of the United States Navy were lost in action during World War II. Two -- Dorado (SS-248) and Seawolf (SS-197) -- were lost to friendly fire, at least two more --Tulibee and Tang-- to defective torpedoes, and four to accident or grounding." All the others were lost in enemy action...i.e., taking fire from a combatant.
9/23/2012 8:05 PM
For the Record...Submarines Lost in WWII:
USS Albacore (SS-218)
USS Amberjack (SS-219)
USS Argonaut (SM-1)
USS Barbel (SS-316)
USS Bonefish (SS-223)
USS Bullhead (SS-332)
USS Capelin (SS-289)
USS Cisco (SS-290)
USS Corvina (SS-226)
USS Darter (SS-227)
USS Dorado (SS-248)
USS Escolar (SS-294)
USS Flier (SS-250)
USS Golet (SS-361)
USS Grampus (SS-207)
USS Grayback (SS-208)
USS Grayling (SS-209)
USS Grenadier (SS-210)
USS Growler (SS-215)
USS Grunion (SS-216)
USS Gudgeon (SS-211)
USS Harder (SS-257)
USS Herring (SS-233)
USS Kete (SS-369)
USS Lagarto (SS-371)
USS Perch (SS-176)
USS Pickerel (SS-177)
USS Pompano (SS-181)
USS R-12 (SS-89)
USS Robalo (SS-273)
USS Runner (SS-275)
USS S-26 (SS-131)
USS S-27 (SS-132)
USS S-28 (SS-133)
USS S-36 (SS-141)
USS S-39 (SS-144)
USS S-44 (SS-155)
USS Scamp (SS-277)
USS Scorpion (SS-278)
USS Sculpin (SS-191)
USS Sealion (SS-195)
USS Seawolf (SS-197)
USS Shark (SS-174)
USS Shark (SS-314)
USS Snook (SS-279)
USS Swordfish (SS-193)
USS Tang (SS-306)
USS Trigger (SS-237)
USS Triton (SS-201)
USS Trout (SS-202)
USS Tullibee (SS-284)
USS Wahoo (SS-238)
9/23/2012 8:08 PM
A quick-reference link: List of U.S. submarines lost during World War II
9/23/2012 8:22 PM
I was on the USS Baltimore (SSN 704) in the '80s. We hosted the Maryland chapter of the WWII SubVets. I remember vividly 5 or 6 old men in their silly Three Musketeers hats with the plumage. How stupid can you get. Then you start to think about what they had to survive when they were young, and you are awestruck. No, not awestruck, GOBSMACKED!
I remember reading a few years ago that the Brits had disbanded their Dunkirk Veterans Association. What a tragedy. And now, this.
Joe Alferio
9/24/2012 12:31 PM
To anonymous @ 8:05pm,
Not talking out my asshole. A submarine "lost in action" due to a faulted torpedo is the same on paper as a submarine "lost in action" due to enemy fire. Maybe you think the U.S. Navy had a habit of arming and firing ordinance at nothing during wartime. Either way, it was a shitty design that the guys in ivory towers refused to acknowledge.
To anonymous @ 8:01,
I already acknowledged the torpedo issue was fixed later in the war. Way to take exactly what I said and try to make it an argument against... myself?
The submarine force's history is overstated, and their only period of relevance was well after the turning point in the war in the Pacific. So the next time some old fart thinks that his time spent in a shit can entitles him to be a douchebag to current servicemembers, you can remind him that the U.S. won the war in spite of their high casualties, not because of them.
9/24/2012 4:07 PM
"The submarine force's history is overstated, and their only period of relevance was well after the turning point in the war in the Pacific."
That's packing a lot of stupidity into a single sentence.
9/24/2012 4:12 PM
Maybe that's why CINCPACFLT Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz chose to have his change-of-command ceremonies -- incoming and outgoing -- on board submarines: they were so irrelevant to his winning World War II in the Pacific?
9/24/2012 4:47 PM
Nimitz was a submariner, so those choices easliy could be attributed to his warfare speciality.
9/24/2012 5:51 PM
Nimitz was a skimmer extraordinaire who was also submariner.
The man is in charge of the entire Pacific fleet, signed for the U.S. in Japan's surrender aboard the battleship Missouri...and yet he has his changes of command aboard submarines? Coincidence regarding their importance to WWII? You be the judge.
9/24/2012 6:16 PM
Nimitz's afloat assignments:
USS Ohio (BB-12) -- SKIMMER
USS Baltimore (C-3) -- SKIMMER
USS Pamay (1899) -- SKIMMER
USS Decatur (DD-5) -- SKIMMER
USS Denver (CL-16) -- SKIMMER (grounding)
USS Ranger (1876) -- SKIMMER TRAINING SHIP (no less)
Commanded First Submarine Flotilla
USS Plunger (SS-2) - SUBMARINE
USS Snapper (Submarine No. 16) - SUBMARINE
USS Narwhal (SS-17) - SUBMARINE
Commander 3rd Submarine Division Atlantic
USS Skipjack (SS-24) -- SUBMARINE
Atlantic Submarine Flotilla
USS Maumee (AO-2) -- SKIMMER
USS South Carolina (BB-26) -- SKIMMER
USS Chicago (1885) -- SKIMMER
Submarine Division 14
Submarine Division 20
USS Rigel (AD-13) -- SKIMMER
USS Augusta (CA-31) -- SKIMMER
Commander, Cruiser Division 2
Battleship Division 1
CINCPACFLT
Moral to the "Nimitz' warfare speciality was submarines" story: if you insist upon lecturing your intellectual superiors on history, skimmer boy, you might first want to study it a bit.
P.S. Nimitz might have had his CoC going into CINCPACFLT aboard a battleship were it not for the fact that the local models were all quite regrettably sitting on the bottom of Pearl Harbor. After December 7, 1941, it was the U.S. Submarine force that had to keep Japan at bay in more ways than one. "That is all."
9/24/2012 6:51 PM
My respect for WWII Subvets isn't diminished by my respect for Army Vets who served in Sherman Tanks. Some gave all, all gave some. There is no hierarchy of service that accords greater respect for those that suffered the most or had a greater percentage of losses. Except for Boomer Sailors. They get to join the VFW....?
9/24/2012 7:37 PM
^^^Yes...but that's just to give them someone to talk to (on the rare occasion that they're actually able to get a word in edge-wise).
9/24/2012 7:51 PM
R 161621Z SEP 12
FM CNO WASHINGTON DC
TO NAVADMIN
SUBJ: CALENDAR YEAR 2011 MARJORIE STERRETT BATTLESHIP AWARD RECIPIENT S
1. IT IS AN HONOR TO ANNOUNCE THE CALENDAR YEAR 2011 MARJORIE STERRETT
BATTLESHIP FUND AWARD WINNERS FOR SUPERIOR PERFORMANCE IN INTRA-TYPE BATTLE
EFFICIENCY:
A. ATLANTIC FLEET: USS NEWPORT NEWS (SSN 750) B. PACIFIC FLEET: USS
HAMPTON (SSN 767)
2. SELECTION FOR THIS AWARD REFLECTS THE PROFESSIONALISM AND DEDICATION OF
THESE TWO UNITS. USS HAMPTON SUSTAINED AN EXTRAORDINARY LEVEL OF COMBAT
READINESS AND EXCELLENCE IN EVERY SUBMARINE MISSION AREA AND CORE COMPETENCY
THROUGHOUT 2011. USS NEWPORT NEWS WAS HEAVILY RELIED UPON IN THEATER,
DELIVERING 11 PERCENT MORE MISSION TIME TO THE OPERATIONAL COMMANDER THAN
ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED WITH A NEAR PERFECT MISSION GOAL ACCOMPLISHMENT.
3. CONGRATULATIONS TO USS NEWPORT NEWS AND USS HAMPTON. YOUR UNMATCHED
DEDICATION AND PROFESSIONALISM EXEMPLIFY THE HIGHEST IDEALS AND SPIRIT
REPRESENTED BY THIS PRESTIGIOUS AWARD.
4. RELEASED BY VICE ADMIRAL R. W. HUNT, DIRECTOR, NAVY STAFF.//
9/24/2012 9:44 PM
good post
9/25/2012 3:43 AM
very good post
9/25/2012 3:44 AM
"In terms of efficiency, the submarine force destroyed 90% of the merchant fleet and also destroyed one-third of the Imperial Japanese Fleet. This while at no time did the submarine force comprise more than 2% of the Navy's men and materiel." US subs sank 201 warships and close to 1100merchant ships. Those smoke boat boys eviscerated the Jap fleet so just pay your respects and shake the hand of those few remaining brave men who fought to let you play xbox in your rack while on your "arduous" deployment.
9/25/2012 6:38 AM
Anon at 0638.
Please state your data source.
9/25/2012 2:12 PM
Answer: Up a fat lady's butt in Buffalo.
(Yes...yo' mama's.)
9/25/2012 7:50 PM
we need good leadership capable for winning wars.
Miami Dodge
9/26/2012 5:44 AM
My data source was Navy heritage topic in BESS, again for pinning, oh and in my signed copy of Thunder Below by Rear Admiral Eugene Fluckey. You can get it for $14.16 at amazon.com sadly you can’t get it signed by the author anymore, but if you didn’t know about our amazing submarine history before you are probably a NUB and don’t deserve it anyway.
9/26/2012 6:12 PM
lulz http://www.navy.com/careers/engineering-applied-science/surface-warfare-officer.html
9/26/2012 7:34 PM
Why is the Navy promoting SWO using a submarine backdrop at www.navy.com/careers/engineering-applied-science/surface-warfare-officer.html? Just silly.
9/26/2012 10:39 PM
New Topic!
9/27/2012 4:28 AM
News: submarines in Groton/New London to draw down by 25%.
No immediate change. This is more of a sleeper hold than a choke hold...but one announced by the head skimmer in uniform.
9/27/2012 9:05 AM
Update: Greenert is a submariner. And not one in the Nimitz class, either.
9/27/2012 9:09 AM
Looking at Admiral Geenert's record...
The Navy Distinguished Service Medal is bestowed upon members of the Navy or Marine Corps who distinguish themselves by exceptionally meritorious service to the United States government in a duty of great responsibility. (X 2)
The Defense Superior Service Medal is a senior United States military decoration of the Department of Defense, awarded to members of the United States armed forces who perform "superior meritorious service in a position of significant responsibility."
The Legion of Merit is a military award of the United States Armed Forces that is given for exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding services and achievements. The decoration is issued both to United States military personnel and to military and political figures of foreign governments. (X 4)
The Meritorious Service Medal is a military decoration presented to members of the United States Armed Forces who distinguished themselves by outstanding meritorious achievement or service to the United States subsequent to January 16, 1969. Effective 11 September 2001, this award also may be bestowed for non-combat meritorious achievement in a designated combat theatre.[1] (X 2)
Originally established in November 1943 as the Navy Commendation Ribbon, designated as the Navy Commendation Medal in September 1960, and renamed the Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal in 1994, this decoration is awarded by operational commanders, requiring the signature of an Officer in the grade of O-6. This allows for interpretation of the criteria for which the medal may be awarded. (X 4)
The Achievement Medal is a military decoration of the United States military. The Achievement Medal was first proposed as a means to recognize the contributions of junior officers and enlisted personnel who were not eligible to receive the higher Commendation Medal or the Meritorious Service Medal (X 3)
The Joint Meritorious Unit Award is the only ribbon award granted by the Department of Defense and is the organizational equivalent of the Defense Superior Service Medal. It is awarded to joint units or activities where the joint activity must either report through Unified, Combined, or Specified Command channels or pursue a joint mission under the cognizance of the Secretary of Defense; the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; the commander of a Unified, Specified or Combined Command that is also a joint command; or the Secretary of a military department that has been designated the Executive Agent for the Secretary of Defense.
The Meritorious Unit Commendation is a mid-level unit award of the United States military which is awarded to any military command which displays exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding service, heroic deeds, or valorous actions. (X 3)
What do you Ogangers do pass this crap out like candy? none of these awards really mean anything other than the people above you think you actually did your job. No wonder the Brits laugh at us and our "Garden Salad" of medals.
9/27/2012 11:45 AM
Blah, blah, blah. The "whine" of sour grapes is always bitter.
Admiral Greenert no doubt earned his awards. There's just one thing about this pic that creeps me out. Can you spot it?
It's the academy ring being put over the top of his wedding ring. That always creeps me out. What's the message here...the wife is on a par with the Navy? Really? Blech!
9/27/2012 2:41 PM
Well, now that we've eliminated DADT I guess it's okay to wear the rings that way ;)
My recruiting story is offering to reup if the CO could get SECNAV in the battery well to administer the oath to me. Lucky for me he didn't do it!
9/27/2012 3:08 PM
{Why is the Navy promoting SWO using a submarine backdrop at www.navy.com/careers/engineering-applied-science/surface-warfare-officer.html? Just silly.}
Because he's one of us, you idiot. Those water wings are a photoshop job. That's Chris Carter.
9/27/2012 3:44 PM
@ anon 2:14
Then please define for me what qualifies for "meritorious" service of any kind in peace time? Saving lives during a ship board casualty is the only thing that comes to mind. Everything else would fall under doing your job. We had one ground pounder here that came back from Iraq with a silver star for efficiency, he was in charge of personnel and streamlined the filing system, seriously that is what the citation said.
9/27/2012 4:25 PM
-watching Last Resort- what a POS
9/27/2012 6:47 PM
Here is a link to a mine hunting remote submarine in the gulf. Interesting.
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/09/27/us-navy-tests-mine-seeking-sub-during-gulf-drills.html?ESRC=eb.nl
9/28/2012 7:28 AM
"Because he's one of us, you idiot. Those water wings are a photoshop job. That's Chris Carter."
Why is the Navy using a faked up picture of a sub guy to promote SWO?
Are there no photogenic SWO LT's anymore?
9/28/2012 8:06 AM
I mean, it doesn't even meet the lazyness standard. Surely it's easier to take a pic of a SWO on the waterfront thn have to do a computer edit?
9/28/2012 8:08 AM
and what sort of lesson on integrity does this teach the world about our organization?
9/28/2012 12:39 PM
"We shall never forget that it was our submarines that held the lines against the enemy while our fleets replaced losses and repaired wounds."
Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz
[As quoted in Historic Ship Exhibits in the United States (1969), by United States Naval History Division, United States Navy, p. 24]
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