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Monday, July 26, 2010

And A Submarine Shall Lead Them

Once again, we see a "group photo" from a big naval exercise where the submarine is front and center. This one is from the current "Invincible Spirit" exercises off the coast of Korea, with USS Tucson (SSN 770) leading the fleet:

Here's a close up of Tucson from the same event. I've blogged before about why submarines are almost always in front of the formation in these group steaming photos, or more rarely off to the side -- it's because submarines have absolutely no tradition of station-keeping in formation steaming, so it's easiest just to let the sub be the guide. In the description of the picture above, the Navy Mass Communication Specialist who wrote the caption made the common mistake of calling the submarine "USS Tuscon" (I've blogged about that before as well). I think we can all just agree that the spelling and pronunciation of "Tucson" bear no relation to one another, and leave it at that.

For those wondering about the RIMPAC 2010 group photo, here's a video of the parade, with USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76) leading the way. They claim there are four submarines in this formation, but they must be way out of the way. (Here's a still picture of the formation, and even in hi-res I don't see any submarines.)


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hopefully when we finish up in Iraq next year, we'll be able to finish off North Korea. The people should stage an uprising and then we can send in troops to help them.

7/27/2010 12:08 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

How would you like to be the OOD or lookout for that! Awesome...

7/27/2010 5:39 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone else notice the missing whistle door in the close up?

7/27/2010 10:13 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Con-Sonar, loud whistling sound detected.

7/27/2010 10:43 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The whistle door isn't missing, it's open since she's running on the surface.

7/27/2010 3:45 PM

Anonymous NHSparky said...

Joel--they're all probably doing TMA and working up firing solutions on the targets...(G)

7/27/2010 6:17 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joel, I know you've been a civ for awhile and the naval common sense meter is failing, but please realize that the close-in picture you reference is exactly that; close-in. There are no submarines visible because they are well ahead of where the picture was taken. From that view, the helicopter is no more than a few hundred yards ahead of the CVN, while the sub(s) are probably 1000-2000 yards ahead of the CVN. That's why they are not visible.

Also, I'd like to see the NK subs (derelict Romeo class at best) try to fark with that battle group.

7/27/2010 11:47 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the subs are 2000 yds ahead of the CVN and "out of frame", wouldn't the wakes be visible "in frame"?

7/28/2010 5:16 AM

Anonymous LT L said...

They are way off on the starboard side of the formation:


7/28/2010 7:09 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Really? Submarines open their whistle doors on the surface? Thanks sherlock. Was just making a comment it looked like it was more than just open... possibly missing. If a comment was made that the door was possibly missing, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to determine the person making the post knows what the function of the door is.

7/28/2010 7:44 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon @ 5:16AM, it looks like LT L has answered the question about where the subs were in the picture, but to your point, do you really think the wake from a sub would still be visible 1000-2000 yards behind it?

Hint: the answer is no.

7/28/2010 9:21 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Last I checked, the whistle door opens OUTward (and UPward). Whistle door aint there. At all.

7/28/2010 9:32 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The wake from the Tucson looks pretty long to me.

7/28/2010 10:48 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get qualified nub! 688i's whistle doors hinge at the bottom not at the top like first/second flight 688s and 726s. While it probably the most extended I have seen a 688i whistle door open, if you loo closesly on the left and the right of the bottom of the whistle opening in the sail, you can see the black arms of the whistle door. I think the door is horizontal so it is difficult to see.

7/28/2010 12:12 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I acknowledge I typed too quickly on the last post and have at least two mis-typed words. So all of you that love write the stupid comments about grammar, relax.

7/28/2010 12:14 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Glad LT L cleared that up. I assumed they were all wearing the new NWU.

7/28/2010 8:15 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The submarines are actually ahead of the carrier way off on the Starboard Side. The front one is the Columbus, then the Japanese boat, followed by the South Korean boat, with the Pasadena controlling the group the aft end. It took the better part of the day to maneuver this many ships into position, and the RIMPAC photo you have is the one that was taken as the Helo with the actual camera took off just prior to the Skimmers steaming up past the subs. We held the group position including the submarines for close to an hour before we (meaning the submarines) turned hard to starboard to break formation and all but one but went back to their waterspace and submerged to continue the war games. I'm sure many more photos will be available by the end of the week when everyone else pulls back in.

7/29/2010 2:11 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a Sub O-ganger that participated in RIMPAC and jsut got BSP'ed the other day to go to PNEO, I couldn't help but laugh when I went up in the bridge and the CO pointed out that the carrier SWO's rely on Pilots in Helo's to drive.

I'm glad we were 1200 yards off their starboard brow, I don't want to be close to any driver, surface or sub that needs a third person's view to drive.

7/29/2010 2:18 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

PNEO guy, your former CO may have been pulling your leg, or he may be a ruh-tard.

The SWO's may be receiving lookout info from the helo's, but they're not relying on them for navigational info.

I hope he was joking, and as a prospective Eng, I hope you're not too gullible.

7/29/2010 11:48 PM

Anonymous Bobby said...

well thats effed up. I was on the Pasadena and I know we were there for the photo exercise. We were watching it on crews mess with the para vis.

7/31/2010 6:06 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a former member of the crew of the USS Tucson and the QMOW that navigated the boat into possition for them to form up on I can say that the whistle door on a 688i opens down and that it was most certainly still attached.

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