Shocked!!1!!(3-2)!!1!
Shocked! Yes, shocked I am about the news that guys on overseas boondoggles, staying in fancy hotels, may have availed themselves of sampling the local culture. Such a thing has clearly never happened in the past! It's all Obama's fault! But as they say, it only takes one guy trying to wheedle out of paying the hooker to ruin a good deal for everyone else.
I honestly expected that the lid would be blown, so to speak, over the goings-on in WestPac liberty ports (not by Submariners, of course, but by other guys) during the McCain presidential run in 2008, but if I remember right a couple of stories that came out detailing some PI stories generated nothing more than a bored yawn. I think the American people as a whole understand that when guys go overseas some of them might get their freak on.
If you think I'm going to ask for comments from those who want to tell their favorite story about whoring on the government dime on a blog read by Submarine Wives, no way I'm going to do that. Of course, if you want to tell stories about what "Skimmers" and "Airdales" do, that's fine.
posted by Bubblehead at 1:41 PM
112 Comments:
According to an offical White House spokesman, the TOTUS will tell the POTUS to say that it's all W's fault.
4/17/2012 2:38 PM
All hope is not lost.
Back in the day, I worked for six submarine commanding officers over the course of time. As it happened, most were good guys...two of them later became COMSUBPAC.
Of the six, I witnessed only one messing around while overseas (not one of the two later-CSPs). Interestingly, the philanderer was not a 'submariner's submariner', but was rather something of a NR stooge who was inordinately weak in both leadership & tactical skills.
AS regards Obama, all I can say is "sorry, Joel"...but it's always about the leadership. Always. The POTUS sets the tone...make no mistake...in any administration.
My only shock here is that the press actually reported what happened.
Having said all that, my condolences go out to the very real human beings and families that have been hurt and will be hurt by this. Focus on the love, folks. Whatever you choose to focus on grows...and love truly does conquer all.
4/17/2012 2:43 PM
Clueless wrote:
"sorry, Joel"...but it's always about the leadership.
[rolling eyes]
4/17/2012 2:51 PM
Show me a 'bad conduct' situation in either the corporate world or the military...or the government...and I will show you some bad leadership. Every. Time.
4/17/2012 3:13 PM
It's fairly clear that the Secret Service didn't hold a lot of respect for Obama. That's due to one thing -- he hasn't earned it.
4/17/2012 3:14 PM
“-- he hasn't earned it.” What a load of crap. If you ever served you know this fundamental statement is true: you might not respect the man but you will respect the uniform. When you take an oath you put your personal feelings second. If you can’t do that then quit!
Now there was this "skimmer puke" in Rosie Roads PR who dined on a fuzzy clam of a well-worn lady at the black angus and got some weird VD of the tongue. It swelled up so bad we had to medevac him home, needless to say the wife was not happy.
4/17/2012 3:32 PM
Didn't you know? He earned the Nobel Peace Prize within days of taking office!
4/17/2012 3:53 PM
Apparently, the "SS" (Secret Service) had the President's schedule with them while they were out chasing tail. Makes you wonder who those 'ladies' were, exactly.
Call it whatever you want...but I don't call it anything close to being respectful of the president.
4/17/2012 4:02 PM
I assume the "Leadership is responsible" crowd believes that Secret Service agents never brought hookers back to their rooms while doing advance work in the 1981-1988 time period?
4/17/2012 4:50 PM
A proper reply reminds me of the statement that Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg made to the Winklevoss brothers: "If you guys were the inventors of Facebook, you'd have invented Facebook."
I.e., if full-blown SS agents would've been caught with hookers during '81-'88...they'd have been caught with hookers.
Don't go denying reality on us, Joel. It is what it is.
4/17/2012 5:37 PM
Thanks to the sweet logic above, Saint Reagan was fully and completely responsible for John Walker.
And Bush was responsible for Abu Ghraib, Operation Anaconda, the death of Pat Tillman, and of course, 9/11.
4/17/2012 5:48 PM
If bad behavior of those deployed overseas is a symptom of disrespect directed at the CIC, there's been a lot of disrespecting going on over the years.
4/17/2012 6:03 PM
It is said that some of the ladies were only 16 years old, but a least, they were a mature 16 years old.
4/17/2012 6:26 PM
"...whoring on the government dime."
Really? Can anyone name even one S/S agent who was on actually on duty at the time of his dalliance?
The lapse of Obama's male Secret Service detail to uphold the historical pride of their mission may have been engendered (and is unfortunately underreported, so far) by the same cultural dynamic foisted upon male submarine sailors -- a novation that subjects a once elite, all-male service infiltrated and demoralized by a physically inferior gender:
Any female Secret Service agent assigned to the president’s armed security detail would have to:
1) be large enough and run long enough and fast enough for her body to intercept some bullets intended for the president; 2) trustworthy enough to keep details of the itinerary to herself;
3) reliable enough to maintain 24-7 rigor regardless of typical female health cycles and yeast infections.
No female is young and vigorous enough to fit all of the above requirements.
Female S/S agents attending the president’s personal security detail may certainly be armed, but my pedestrian guess is that they probably perform administrative and logistics functions only. By the way, administrative functions are exactly what women currently assigned to submarines are assigned to perform.
The rate of females assigned to naval vessels being medically unfit to deploy is excessive well beyond their numbers. For surface vessels that has usually been manageable. For submarines, however, sacrificing stealthly deployments of national security significance for female health issues requiring at-sea medevacs (including any pregnancy onset) is quite another matter.
4/17/2012 6:37 PM
No one here is saying that Obama is directly responsible for the behavior of the SS. People, including me, are saying that the SS sole and direct job here is to protect the president, and that they both did a lousy job of that and showed substantial disrespect to his office.
What Obama IS responsible for is the glaring lack of respect that has now been shown very publicly to him.
Clear enough?
Not that I thought anyone was really confused on the above points...but your words were certainly intended to cause such confusion.
Stupid is as stupid does. And TSSBP.
4/17/2012 7:24 PM
^^^ Obozo gets all the respect he deserves.
Besides, what's the big deal? If some 30+ year old skanky ho law school "student" can bitch to Congress about not being able to pay for all of her contraceptives and Obozo run to her defense, what's his complaint gonna be here? (obviously not counting security issues)
4/17/2012 8:03 PM
The core message here is not being directed to the president, nor is this about his being offended.
The core message is that the Secret Service clearly holds Obama in very low esteem...and the recipient of that message is We the People. Provided, of course, that We are being observant. No small proviso.
4/17/2012 8:18 PM
Yes, yes. Guys choose to pick up a prostitute because they don't respect their boss.
Goddamn, this blog has gone to shit.
4/17/2012 8:32 PM
How to know when to stop reading:
Someone thinks they're clever for using terms like Obozo.
I remember when there used to be some pretty savvy discourse on this blog.
4/17/2012 8:35 PM
It's the intellect that has gone to shit in the 8:32 PM comment.
Think about it: the Secret Service is on an advance mission to Columbia set up protection for the president. In the course of events, 21 guys end up with 21 hookers in their own hotel rooms.
You CAN'T ignore the obvious security problems with that. You COULD ignore the whoring, were it not done on government per diem expense (and it was).
Bottom line: the agents clearly had a give-a-shit, disrespectful attitude about the president and his security. Why? Ask yourself, and if you're capable of an honest answer, the truth is yours to behold
4/17/2012 8:40 PM
I love this excuse. "I drove drunk and got kicked out because my CO was a dick and didn't deserve respect." Bradley Manning only released information to Wikileaks because he did not respect Obama. The San Fran ran aground because they hated Bush... Etc.
The logic is mind boggling.
4/17/2012 8:42 PM
I agree -- your logic is ridiculous.
The Secret Service's only job is to protect the president. No dozens of people in an intermediate chain of command, such as in your asinine examples.
That 21 of the agents spent their time whoring around instead of ensuring absolute security speaks volumes. Much unlike your attempt at discourse.
I don't think you're capble of being honest. So good day to you, sir. Better life next time, perhaps.
4/17/2012 8:48 PM
These guys were in a position of trust and power. Just like the current situation with the GSA executives, they abused their power, and thought they were above common American core values. America truly is the new Roman Empire.
4/17/2012 9:09 PM
^^^Wish I could agree with your comment on thinking they were 'above common American core values'...but like a lot of the shitbird comments here, some people think that what they did was perfectly normal.
Which raises an interesting point: no military officers were involved...only enlisted. Just telling it like it is.
4/17/2012 9:46 PM
Oh brother! Of course it wasn't Obama's fault and nobody was dis'n him.
It was some guys on travel getting some pussy. Men having been doing it for thousands of years. Armies have traveled with their own brothels.
I have seen submariners (of all ranks, MYSELF INCLUDED) while in a port other than homeport doing the same things. Let's face it, unless you are a gay man or straight woman, everyone else on the planet is after that little hole between a womans legs. And for the others, when I was an MP in Subic, there where bars for the fags and for lesbians...everyone got what they needed and relieved pressure before heading back to sea. Ports have served Sailors for hundreds of years for the same purpose.
The Navy used to support hygiene clinic for the girls in PI, sometimes staffed and supplied by the United States governmet for the sole purpose of potecting Sailors so they can continue the mission of hunting commies.
I have had CO's bring girls onboard ships and submarines, officer, Chiefs, Sailors all the way down to the lowest seaman whoring in town, married or unmarried. There are also some who don't partake...more power to them.
This is nothing new to the year 2012. This is not the first time. This will not be the last time.
This will exist as long as that little hole between a women's leg remains one of the most powerful forces known to man (just look at CO's and COB's getting fired).
It happens and if you don't get a disease, offend your god, disappoint your grandma, get caught by your wife, girlfriend, boyfriend or whatever, it's great and pleasurable. If it shows up on CNN then TSSBP.
Anyway, stop the drama. It is what it is and always will be.
Jim C.
Ret ANAV
4/17/2012 10:04 PM
Agree with some of your call on the past, brother Jim...but you have no idea what the future holds.
People do many of the idiotic (as in self-serving) things that they do because they think they can get away with it...that their actions are unknown.
Ever heard of intuition? It's quite real. Have seen it way too many times in my life to believe otherwise.
Anyone wonder why their wife is so PO'd all the time and you're not getting enough? Maybe she knows...truly knows...what you've been up to.
Live & learn. There is a oneness to everything in existence. And people without integrity (wholeness) will be outed...and finally get it. Amen.
4/17/2012 10:16 PM
Amen, Jim C.!!
panamared
4/17/2012 10:23 PM
Pretty interesting, this. Twenty-eight years USN, Eighteen years shipboard sea duty; two attack boats.
Never heard of such behavior. Uh, right, heh. Been there, done that.
What I find most interesting is that the media has really jumped on this, during this administration. A Democrat administration. That is why I am surprised that the media has jumped on it.
I am not surprised that a bunch of guys, deployed, have um, met some young ladies and invited them to their rooms. Stuff happens.
I am a little surprised that these advance party folks stepped out, and one of them balked at paying the tab. That's what seems to have drawn the attention of folks.
I guess we'll see what we'll see. Red faces for sure.
4/17/2012 10:29 PM
I'll call bullshyt on the "core message". The core message is that they will use anything they can in the lame stream media to ensure you don't hear about what the nobama admin is actually doing. When the FOCK is a federal budget going to be signed? Tell me that?? Not since that POS's first year?
BTW, they were just supporting the economy in Colombia, it's legal there. There were two sailors involved, so it MUST be their fault!
There were 3 types of married guys on submarines, the lords of the ring, those that were stoopid, and those that hung out together and did not speak of such things to anybody else.
hagar
4/18/2012 12:05 AM
BTW, they were just supporting the economy in Colombia, it's legal there.
I very much doubt their wives and children can find much humor in this. Is legal the same thing as moral? Care to accompany me to a few nations in the Middle East, and see how long your life lasts? Killing infidels is perfectly legal there.
Word for the day: Forgiveness
We be needin' a few buckets full o' that, fer sure.
4/18/2012 1:38 AM
One of the hookers went back to a hotel room with two agents. The woman wanted to be paid for serving both agents.
Instead, the agents would only agree to split her price.
Never a Good Idea?
4/18/2012 3:51 AM
I can pretty much guarantee the sailors paid the tab and then some. We don't have an issue cuffing up cash, they just got brought down by the Secret Service. Checklist after leaving liberty port:
1. Hungover (check)!
2. Got laid (check)!
3. Broke because I gave away my paycheck to Suzy/Suki or whatever common name for said port (CHECK)!
Damn rookie Secret Service.....
4/18/2012 7:19 AM
The core message is that they will use anything they can in the lame stream media to ensure you don't hear about what the nobama admin is actually doing.
So let me see if I understand this correctly.
If the "lame stream" media doesn't cover a story, it's because they're in the bag for Obama and they're hiding the story to protect him.
If they do cover the story, it's because they're helping distract from failed policies.
That's a pretty slick narrative you've got going there.
4/18/2012 7:50 AM
Yep.. pretty much sums it up. Thanks. That one is ALSO not new to POTUS admins... IE: Go fly on AFONE and take a look around at the TV sets... Do you see different News channels on? Nope? Why....... EGGGGZACTLY
4/18/2012 8:15 AM
At least now we know what the "Secret" service is -- coke and hookers.
4/18/2012 9:00 AM
Is cocaine legal in Columbia? 'Cuz that would make it all better, of course.
4/18/2012 9:02 AM
Hey, someone had to security screen the hookers before Obama got there.
4/18/2012 9:07 AM
"The Secret Service's only job is to protect the president."
Not true:
http://www.ehow.com/info_8231361_job-duties-secret-service-agent.html
And, for those of you scratching your heads over why the media would report this story, just look at the sneaky handlers that Obama surrounds himself with.
What better excuse for a incompetent failure of a president than to be able to claim that he was sabotaged from within?
It's all about public image, and making Obama appear to be a victim.
4/18/2012 9:10 AM
Book suggestion: The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
4/18/2012 9:43 AM
P.S. It's a free ebook on Google.
4/18/2012 9:43 AM
Half of you guys are complete idiots...
Whatever happened to acting in a professional manor and having self control?
This has nothing to do with the President. Some sleaze bags felt that they could get away with banging some Columbian hood rats (some I bet weren't just hookers...) and didn’t think about the repercussions of their actions.
This all comes down to a bunch of scum bags having a total disregard for their job, responsibilities, their families, and their country.
They are the only people to blame for having a complete lack of self discipline and no moral or ethical standards.
You are a retard if you think that the SS agents would put the most powerful man in the world in harm’s way just because they don’t respect him.
News Flash!!! This has probably been going on for years, maybe even decades. They finally got caught.
Honor, Courage, and Commitment – It’s like the fire triangle. It falls apart if you are missing one.
4/18/2012 10:31 AM
Half of you guys are complete idiots...
Whatever happened to acting in a professional manor and having self control?
This has nothing to do with the President. Some sleaze bags felt that they could get away with banging some Columbian hood rats (some I bet weren't just hookers...) and didn’t think about the repercussions of their actions.
This all comes down to a bunch of scum bags having a total disregard for their job, responsibilities, their families, and their country.
They are the only people to blame for having a complete lack of self discipline and no moral or ethical standards.
You are a retard if you think that the SS agents would put the most powerful man in the world in harm’s way just because they don’t respect him.
News Flash!!! This has probably been going on for years, maybe even decades. They finally got caught.
Blame the individual for his actions.
Honor, Courage, and Commitment – It’s like the fire triangle. It falls apart if you are missing one.
4/18/2012 10:32 AM
BTW, they were just supporting the economy in Colombia, it's legal there.
Despite prostitution being legal, people can still be forced/coerced into working as prostitutes, which is why DoD employees are specifically prohibited from participating in activities that support Trafficking in Persons.
"4. POLICY. It is DoD policy to:
a. Oppose prostitution, forced labor, and any related activities as described in section 3 that may contribute to the phenomenon of TIP as inherently harmful and dehumanizing. TIP is a violation of U.S. law and internationally recognized human rights, and is incompatible with DoD core values.
b. Deter activities of DoD Service members, civilian employees, indirect hires, contract personnel, and command-sponsored dependents that would facilitate or support TIP, domestically and overseas. This includes activities such as pandering, prostitution, and patronizing a prostitute even though such activities may be legal within a host nation country, but which are in violation of chapter 47 of title 10, U.S.C. (also known as “The Uniform Code of Military Justice” (Reference (f)) and paragraph 97, part IV of Manual for Courts-Martial 2008 (Reference (g))."
http://ctip.defense.gov/
4/18/2012 11:03 AM
"News Flash!!! This has probably been going on for years, maybe even decades. They finally got caught. "
Entirely true. Occam's razor and all that. Any submariner who really thinks that this was a one time thing and only happened because these guys somehow hate the President are f-ing delusional. Recall, if you will, that these guys VOLUNTEER to be on his detail, and as volunteers, VOLUNTEER to take a bullet for him as needed. Get a grip folks. The retarded on this narrative got launched so far and so fast that it's currently somewhere in the Klingon Empire.
Also, they don't work directly for the president any more than I worked directly for the CNO when I was a first class. They work for their supervisor or agent in charge or whatever, who works for his supervisor, who eventually works for the secretary of the treasury. You guys will go to any extreme to construct any narrative to denigrate the President, no matter how tortured that narrative may be.
Or maybe you really do think that the man who has what is arguably the busiest job in the history of mankind personally supervises his entire security detail. If so, you're morons.
4/18/2012 11:09 AM
To the ANNON:
Whatever happened to acting in a professional manor and having self control?
Snap your right, they should have at least offered the hooker a hankie to wipe off their face. Good point, keep em cummmin
4/18/2012 11:18 AM
Forgetting the political moronity -- both sides -- for a minute here, it's worth pointing out that these weren't a bunch of incredibly dumbshit, dickbrain 19-20-somethings. These were grown men, with families. Most Secret Service around the president 24x7 are in their 40s.
Cocaine, whores and security risks? Time to clean house. Maybe bring a power washer as well.
4/18/2012 11:25 AM
Joel.........why did you have to make this political? Just because you are a liberal doesn't mean you need to defend Obama for things that do not directly pertain to him.
It seems like once or twice every year you manage to stir up a political shit storm in your own blog...dumbfounding.
4/18/2012 11:41 AM
U.S. News & World Report: "Secret Service, Ted Nugent Owe President Obama Some Respect"
4/18/2012 11:52 AM
Safe to say that the 'kewl doods' at the Secret Service are about to receive an atomic wedgie. TSSBP.
4/18/2012 11:54 AM
P.S. Ditto for the same type (formerly) in the military.
4/18/2012 11:55 AM
As always, the humor starts immediately. Here's some of the many related political cartoons.
Love the one with Hillary "getting her freak on."
4/18/2012 12:07 PM
I'm not too bothered if other married men have amazing party stories and whoring stories from their days overseas. Life is life, stuff happens, and my dude is one of the good guys. But I have to agree for the most part: of course crap like that is bound to happen. I have no intentions of blaming anyone for an individual's choice to employ a prostitute for a night. LOL. That's just silly. But same goes for Hilary drinkin' a beer. Good for her. Christ, if I dealt with politicians all day, I'd need a beer too.
4/18/2012 12:32 PM
Two are navy....hmmmmm submariners???
4/18/2012 1:59 PM
^^^Nah...the Navy enlisted involved are EOD guys.
I know of submariners, very good guys, being on NSC staff on account of their security tickets, but they didn't do advance work.
4/18/2012 2:23 PM
Knew a submariner once whose wife spent her spare time banging the local marines. Situation was all the worse as everybody knew about it. Kinda sad, as the still guy loved her and didn't know what to do...evidenced by the fact that he sought me out for advice.
Wasn't nearly qualified for that sort of counsel and said as much, but as he insisted on knowing what I thought he should do I simply said, "Get back to loving one another...or cut her loose. Life's too short, and love's too important."
He lasted for a year or so, as I recall, then divorced her. In the end, he still loved her. Ah. Amour.
4/18/2012 2:32 PM
What base???? Sounds like kings bay!!! Lol!! There was a whole officer wives club that had a prostitution ring going on....anyone know about this one??? Think it was the USS Louisiana... Several years ago
4/18/2012 3:09 PM
The stories that can be told of Targets tied up next to their skimmer Target Tenders and the debauchery that happened in places like "un-Holy Loch" and "La-fun maddalena" would make an old sailor blush, but then all you Bubblehead Targets think your perfect!
Keep believing all your bullshit beliefs
4/18/2012 4:12 PM
^^^"...your perfect!" --> "...you're perfect!"
Why are you here, Limp 1? Is the "Skimmers 'Я Us" blog having another field day for its bizarro membership? Try Googling for bizarro-speak such as "Me hate carrots because they am so tasty" to find your own kind...but beware of Blue Kryptonite. "It bad for you."
4/18/2012 4:59 PM
The Kings Bay Prostitution ring.... I have only heard about this by mouth but i heard that it was the "Tennessee Wives Club."
When the Men left, they would put a bottle of Tide detergent in their windows to show the men that their husband was out to sea. The ringleader was the XO or COs wife.
They got caught because they got smart and realized that they were up to something. These wives started driving cars that the family couldn't afford. The wife told the husband to not worry about it.
The boat left for sea with "everyone" on their sailing list but a few people were left on shore with NCIS to investigate. The results weren't good.
I have zero proof that this occurred. I was not there.
4/18/2012 5:16 PM
Off topic, but worthy of mentioning.
4/18/2012 8:44 PM
THIS just in: Rare Ancient Statue Depicts Topless Female Gladiator
4/18/2012 8:46 PM
@Anonymous 4/18/2012 9:02 AM
Is cocaine legal in Columbia? 'Cuz that would make it all better, of course.
Cocaine may not be legal in Columbia, but it gets the mayor re-elected in the District of Columbia. HYOOOOOOO!
4/19/2012 7:09 AM
Dardar,
You don't know the half of it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_barry
Guy is an F'in joke in this area. But the "well educated" people of Ward 8 keep this Asshole around.
I'm sure there are missed issues from the wiki page...
Oh, and his son is shaping up to follow in his foot steps.
You guys should follow the lunacy that DC has become just trying to register a gun.
And, Occupy DC, don't even get me started on how well our Gov't followed its own rules for that.
4/19/2012 12:08 PM
Legal in Columbia: Perhaps, but if you look at your Passport you will see the in the small print that you are also still bound by the Laws of the US while in another country. So even if Mexico has a legal age of consent being 12, it is still a felony under US Law.
TSSBP. Idiot gets a hooker. doesn't establish the fee for service agreement ahead of time. Hooker asks rediculous amount. Idiot makes a fuss. Hooker gets cop (who is probably her pimp). Idiot gets arrested and/or makes headline news. Good deal blown for everyone from here on out.
What happens on the other side of the 180 stays on that side. Idiots forgot the rule.
As for my best record...Thailand. 3 days. 16 girls. I was single so bite me.
4/19/2012 2:19 PM
1 Corinthians 13
If I speak in human and angelic tongues but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.
And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.
If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing.
Love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous, it is not pompous, it is not inflated, it is not rude, it does not seek its own interests, it is not quick-tempered, it does not brood over injury, it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth.
It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
Love never fails.
-- The One
4/19/2012 3:59 PM
Why are people so weird on this website? Is there anyway that we can block the people who post random ass shit?
Sincerely,
Non Weirdo
4/19/2012 4:59 PM
@vigalis
"For submarines, however, sacrificing stealthly deployments of national security significance for female health issues requiring at-sea medevacs (including any pregnancy onset) is quite another matter."
I dunno about that. We medevac'd a guy in the middle (really the middle) of the Pacific in the mid 80s. Aussie helicopter snatched the guy off the deck in the middle of the night and took him to an Aussie carrier and then to a US Carrier.
Doubtful women aren't going to be a bit more careful knowing how they'll be medevac'd off a boat.....
Pretty cool time to be the OOD, though.
4/19/2012 5:02 PM
Anonymous @ 4/17/2012 8:32 PM
"Goddamn, this blog has gone to shit."
Yeah, no doubt. I was hoping to see some stories that rivaled the great "Bangin, Bouncin, Billy Bates" story of the early 80's.
All I see is a bunch of stuff about whatshisname.......
Dang, another lost opportunity
4/19/2012 5:04 PM
Slightly off topic, but....
If one of the female officers has a gynecological issue that needs attention, is the male (enlisted) "Doc" going to be able to "take a look?"
4/19/2012 7:11 PM
^^^A question that doubtlessly has emotionally-arrested-at-14-yrs-old sailors wondering, head on hoof.
4/19/2012 7:33 PM
"If one of the female officers has a gynecological issue that needs attention, is the male (enlisted) "Doc" going to be able to "take a look?""
I looked once...I didn't like it. Haven't been back since.
4/19/2012 7:52 PM
14-yrs-old? They got all the way to 14-yrs-old? I would have traded half of my sonarmen for an equal number of sailors that were emotionally-arrested-at-14-yrs-old.
4/19/2012 8:11 PM
Actually, it looked at Mulligan and ran away screaming. Or was it laughing hysterically?
4/19/2012 8:14 PM
vigilis, you are so totally and completely full of BS that your eyes have to be brown.
Submariners make their money by being smart, not by being brawny. Any frakkin nub knows that on day 1. This misogynist BS that you sling is simply idiotic.
"a novation that subjects a once elite, all-male service infiltrated and demoralized by a physically inferior gender" Do your mother and your wife, if you are married, know how much you hate women????
Good grief!
4/20/2012 6:19 AM
Once again, half the people on this blog are complete idiots.
Half of you are Ig'nent.
4/20/2012 6:54 AM
The weird ones on here are probably nukes....
4/20/2012 7:15 AM
Vigilis thinks it is plausiblethat china will invade the us via container ships. We had a long argument about how red dawn was a movie and he was an idiot on this very blog a couple of years ago. Ever since then, I can't take anything he says even sort of seriously. It is worthwhile to keep that in mind.
4/20/2012 7:50 AM
Yeah but I hardly think that the weird nukes are the ones posting bible verses and song lyrics from "The One."
I would bet that I get a bible verse after this post....
4/20/2012 9:07 AM
Is it getting better
Or do you feel the same
Will it make it easier on you now
You got someone to blame
You say...
One love
One life
When it's one need
In the night
One love
We get to share it
Leaves you baby if you
Don't care for it
-- U2
4/20/2012 10:22 AM
See today's WSJ article on the character crisis in America.
To today's submarine admirals and senior captains: you're in a position to not only no longer be part of the problem, but part of the solution.
And to any who may say this isn't your job to fix amongst your sailors, and yourselves, I can only echo the words of HGR: "Why not?"
4/20/2012 12:18 PM
The retired ANAV is the only one who gets it right.
The hole carried around by women has started wars, spread disease, given life, and is the most sought out single thing in the world.
These were men who, like men have been doing for thousands of years, did what comes natural between normal men and women.
Nothing more, nothing less, nothing sinister or earth shaking. No more than what happens everyday and every night all over the world.
What amazes me is how phony shocked the politicians are. It's like they have never heard of sex (with the exception of Bill Clinton, of course). This just proves how out of touch a politician is, regardless of party, with the everyday citizen.
Unfortunately, the military will take an extreme, reactionary approach to this. Standby for more stupid training!
4/20/2012 2:37 PM
So..... are you saying that we shouldn't have morals and live by a higher ethical standard? Are you saying that we shouldn't be punished when we cheat on our wives or have sex with a prostitute while you are on duty protecting the president?
SS is never off duty. Being in the Navy, I am never truly off duty either. I live my life so i can serve you idiots who don't have a moral compass.
If you don't see anything inherently wrong about picking up some hood rats while protecting the president... you have some serious issues. I am ashamed to serve with anyone who doesn't see a problem with this situation.
4/20/2012 3:30 PM
So..... are you saying that we shouldn't have morals and live by a higher ethical standard? Are you saying that we shouldn't be punished when we cheat on our wives or have sex with a prostitute while you are on duty protecting the president?
SS is never off duty. Being in the Navy, I am never truly off duty either. I live my life so i can serve you idiots who don't have a moral compass.
If you don't see anything inherently wrong about picking up some hood rats while protecting the president... you have some serious issues. I am ashamed to serve with anyone who doesn't see a problem with this situation.
4/20/2012 3:30 PM
On duty days after you get your breathalyzer, the DCPO is going to smell your crotch for pussy (or ass nowadays).
The Secret Service has to be off-duty sometime. Civil Service/OPM rules apply here.
And if you saw the pictures of these girls, they were anything but "hood rats".
Ps. all women are prostitutes...some just negotiate differently than others.
4/20/2012 4:17 PM
"P.s. all women are Prostitutes..." How much for your mom?
4/20/2012 6:50 PM
According to the New London DAY, the COB of the ANNAPOLIS has been relieved due to misconduct while under the influence. ANNAPOLIS is currently deployed. The DAY states the relief occurred on April 19. Foreign port liberty is certainly different than thirty years ago.
4/20/2012 7:19 PM
http://www.public.navy.mil/subfor/csg2/Pages/USSAnnapolis(SSN760).aspx. I know him and am saddened and embarrassed. His son is active duty as I recall and I'm sure that is awkward for him. No idea what the details are...
4/20/2012 8:40 PM
"P.s. all women are Prostitutes..." How much for your mom?"
How much do you got?
I agree that women have the upper hand and negotiate (either covertly or overtly) using what their momma gave them.
4/20/2012 9:09 PM
^^^Dirty Dave...is that you? How's the divorce going? That bad?
4/20/2012 9:41 PM
I heard Dirty Dave joined the Secret Service as the Morale Officer.
4/20/2012 9:50 PM
"If one of the female officers has a gynecological issue that needs attention, is the male (enlisted) "Doc" going to be able to "take a look?""
It's shocking that a trained medical professional might be called upon to perform the duties of a trained medical professional. I suppose the women will have the same choice all women do - suffer in silence or seek the available medical attention.
The real question is whether basic gyno issues will be added to IDC training (if it's not there already).
4/21/2012 5:39 AM
"The real question is whether basic gyno issues will be added to IDC training (if it's not there already)."
Of course they already have the training...how else would they treat the Sonar Division?
Plus COB's like Dirty Dave can always dive in and fix things.
4/21/2012 9:49 AM
From The Day:
"The chief of the boat on the USS Annapolis has been relieved of his duties due to allegations of alcohol-related misconduct, according to the Navy.
Senior Chief Sonar Technician Gregory Cordray was relieved of his duties Thursday as the most senior enlisted sailor on the Annapolis by the commanding officer of the submarine, according to Submarine Group Two.
The alleged misconduct occurred while Cordray was on liberty overseas, or off-duty while in port, Group Two said. The investigation, which is being conducted by Submarine Development Squadron Twelve in Groton, is ongoing.
Annapolis (SSN 760) is currently deployed. Cordray has been temporarily assigned to the squadron.
Master Chief Electronics Technician Ed Durrua will temporarily assume the duties of the chief of the boat.
Cordray has been on the Annapolis since 2011 and has served in the Navy since 1988. Submarine Group Two could not immediately respond to questions."
Annapolis' official web page now has ETCM (SS) Ed Durrua listed as COB.
4/21/2012 11:22 AM
I served with Ed Durra for 2.5 years. Great Guy!
Couldn't have been anyone better.
4/21/2012 1:11 PM
That was a quick webpage update. The link had Greg Cordray still listed as COB last night at 2040, and less than 24hrs later it was changed. Someone at CSG-2 is reading this blog...no way a minor page update happens on a Saturday except by direct order. I've frequently seen these pages be months out of date before because of planned turnovers. Very interesting!
4/21/2012 2:35 PM
Ain't alcohol a wonderful thing.
4/21/2012 3:43 PM
Federal law requires another female be present when a male (Doctor generally) professional is examining a female. With only one female on board, how will the command work around this law?
4/21/2012 8:26 PM
According to reports, of 21 advance personnel, secret service and military, 21 had hookers.
A 100% participation rate in extracurricular activities never occurred on any ship or submarine I was stationed on. Makes me woder how they selected people for this advance group.
Was a Yes to "Hey, who wants to party?" a required answer to a screening question?
4/21/2012 9:44 PM
Re: women on subs:
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/300898_10150323546024157_524664156_8076694_948250985_n.jpg
From 2007
Deal with it.
4/22/2012 3:14 AM
Great pix, Zoe - HMAS Waller .
I know that they've had some problems in the "Land Down Under," with their subs, right???
4/22/2012 6:44 AM
She's a hottie...I'd hit it in the shitter.
4/22/2012 10:23 AM
Re: women on subs:
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/300898_10150323546024157_524664156_8076694_948250985_n.jpg
From 2007
Deal with it.
And from Zoe Brain's blooger page, here's a listing of all I need to see:
Transsexual and Intersex Gender Identity
Dr V. Drantz Lecture: Myth & Science of Sexuality
Sexual differentiation of the human brain (2009)
So, are you a dyke lezbo, a penisless dude in transition to a dyke lezbo, simply a needle dick dude, a limp-wristed pole smoker??? Regardless, there are ways of making "your kind" unwelcome - even in today's PC environment. Deal with it.
4/22/2012 1:47 PM
@ 4/22/2012 10:23 AM
Only by A-gang standards.
4/22/2012 1:50 PM
So, are you a dyke lezbo, a penisless dude in transition to a dyke lezbo, simply a needle dick dude, a limp-wristed pole smoker??? Regardless, there are ways of making "your kind" unwelcome - even in today's PC environment.
Hooray for internet tough-guys!
I can only imagine how excited you got typing that. Must have been tough one-handed.
4/22/2012 3:25 PM
^^^ fag
4/22/2012 7:50 PM
^^^ In the closet.
4/22/2012 8:06 PM
OK, so I was only a brownshoe JO and spent my time in outfits chasing Soviet subs around the Pacific in the '80's, but I want to add something. I too did partake of certain off-duty leisure activities overseas on deployments, such as has gotten the SS guys in trouble in Columbia. But here's my point: I would not have done it if it had not been condoned and encouraged by the squadron CO, XO and entire CPO component. Start to finish, I was participating in events and experiences that were either set up or exemplified by the chain of command. I happily/stupidly went along with it, of course, but in later years, after Tailhook and integration of females into the outfit, I was sure sorry that I'd done it. It was just dumb. I was lucky nothing bad happened, but it is nothing I'm proud of doing. I understand male urges and peer pressure and all that, but if the SS is anything like the Navy I was in, it is the chain of command that is responsible and accountable...and probably giving the cues, if not leading the way in such behavior.
4/22/2012 11:50 PM
^^^^^^^
Wife has your balls in her purse...Be a man, you banged some strange, big fucking deal.
4/23/2012 2:34 PM
^^^Here's some grown up advice for you, Dirty Dave: "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son."
4/23/2012 4:54 PM
And as one more going-away present for DD, here's something of a biblical mashup delivered by Samuel L. Jackson in Pulp Fiction:
"...There's a passage I got memorized. Ezekiel 25:17.
'The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."
4/23/2012 5:36 PM
^^^^^^
Your wife still has your balls in her purse.
4/23/2012 10:01 PM
^^^And your wife has her balls in your mouth.
*Bad-a-bing.*
4/24/2012 1:16 PM
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